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[Viewpoint]

from the Sunday Mail (today)
FORMER Agriculture Minster and senior member of the United Democrats Costas Themistocleous this week drew up a list of what the Greek Cypriot side had lost by saying ‘no’ to the Annan plan last year.

“The first ting I want to say is that, unfortunately, we the Cypriots missed the great opportunity to reunify our country,” he said.

“A year has passed and Cyprus is still divided, and the danger for permanent division is becoming greater, so the only way out of this deadlock is to start again a new round of negotiations on the basis of the Annan plan, aiming this time to have a ‘yes’ from both communities.”

His list of other negative changes since last year includes:

More Turkish settlers coming to Cyprus

The departure of not a single Turkish solder

The fenced area of Famagusta and a number of villages not been returned Turkish Cypriot deputies being accepted at the Council of Europe

The EU vindicating Turkey for having done everything possible for a solution

Under the Green Line regulations, all EU citizens, including Greek Cypriots, are allowed to use ports and airports in the north

Tourists are allowed to fly into Larnaca and holiday in the north

The construction boom in the north on Greek Cypriot properties.

“All these are the negative consequences of the ‘no’ solution,” said Themistocleous, adding that he had yet to see any positive results from the ‘no’ vote.

“If there is a lesson from all this for the time being at least we are not seeing it.”

He said the Greek Cypriot side’s reputation had also suffered abroad. “No one understands us in the international arena,” he said. “Two years ago, everyone respected the efforts of the government at that time to do everything possible for a solution. Now everyone abroad has the view that we have no solution because the Greek Cypriot is side is not helping in this direction.”

Any comments on the above from our neighbours....

[Bananiot]

Another traitor, viewpoint, just another traitor!

I feel compelled to give you the last phrases of Nicos Dimou's "Anti Hellene". Here we go, good reading:

For me, the one and only national issue is the one posited by poet Dionysios Solomos: The nation must equate the national with the true. If this isn't done (and it can't be achieved from one day to the next-it requires years of effort, mainly in education) then we won't be able to stand up in today's world. We'll always be in a limbo between whining and belligerence. We'll spend billions-in blood and sweat-on useless armaments. We'll continually be quarreling with our neighbors, and with the whole world. We'll see paranoid schemes and conspiracies everywhere. Like a sick, maladjusted person, we'll spend our lives wavering between hysteria and depression.

Who will dare to teach Greeks the truth about their history? (Including, for example, the aforementioned pogroms...). About the history, and culture, of their neighbors? Who will dare to teach them the truth about certain "national issues" (like the FIR Athinon, our irrational airspace)? When will Greeks succeed in seeing themselves as they really are: a nation like all the others, with abilities and weaknesses, with talent (often more than this land can hold), and insecurities, capable of both generosity and meanspiritedness.

Beyond the overhaul of the economy, I preach the revamping of our attitudes. Am I really an anti-Hellene? Or do I love Greece? The future will decide.

[Viewpoint]

Im not expecting anything else than what you have said Bananiot, Gcs will dumb him a traitor

[Piratis]

What the Greek Cypriots lost with the ‘no’

Not even a fraction of what we would have lost with a "yes", and not even a fraction of what turkey will loose (that she wouldn't if we had voted "yes" to the Annan partition plan). Isn't this why after 30 years of occupation they were rushing to close the Cyprus problem before May 1st?

Sorry guys, but the Cyprus problem will either be solved (solving the Cyprus problem = solving our problem also, not just the problem of TCs and Turkey) or it will remain open and hurt all of us. Such thing as closing the Cyprus problem with Turkey and TCs coming our winners and we the losers does not exist.

[Piratis]

P.S, when almost nobody will vote for these jerks in the next parliamentary elections and they will loose their seat in the parliament, will we still have to listen to their crap?

[Bananiot]

Viewpoint, sure enough there are many Piratis's in our society but you might like to know, there are many Bananiots too. Perhaps it was a miracle we got 24% of the vote last year, given the mass hysteria against solution.

You also might like to know that I have just read an interview by ex president Klerides an th "VEMA" newspaper of Athens. The old man makes some very interesting revelations. He says that he agrees that certain aspects of the Plan needed to be modified, but Papadopoulos wasted his time during the talks leading to Switzerland, doing anything elsa but negotiate. It is clear that Papadopoulos did not want to improve the Plan because he is dead against the type of the proposed solution.

Of course he has denied that he did not negotiate. You can believe him if you wish, but, remember, this is the man who said that betwen 1963 and 1974 not a single Turkish Cypriot nose bled!

[Piratis]

there are many Bananiots too

Here you go again. Trying to blend in with all the people that voted "yes". No Bananiot, you are very different from the majority of "yes" voters. The great majority of them will not try to destroy this country either because they get paid to do it, or as a revenge because what they voted for didn't pass. You do this, you are pathetic, and yes, you are a tiny minority of no more than 2%.

In this forum we have other "yes" supporters, but they do not belong in your category.

[Bananiot]

I see, and you also claim seriously that all "no" voters were of the same shade? Then, why does your protege not go head on for a solution by giving the points he wants to change? Is he afraid that the 76% may not be so coherent after all?

[Piratis]

and you also claim seriously that all "no" voters were of the same shade?

No, I claim that every one of that 76% decided that the Anan plan was something unacceptable.

Then, why does your protege not go head on for a solution by giving the points he wants to change?

Because thats how his policy is and I agree with it. If we wanted Bananiot or Anastasiades to decide the policies, then we wouldn't vote for Papadopoulos as the president, right?

[cannedmoose]

No, I claim that every one of that 76% decided that the Anan plan was something unacceptable.

Do you include the AKEL sheep in this %?