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[Get Real!]

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left"

That makes every participant a communist...

As long as no one gets hurt i have no problem with that..........do you?

In a strange twist of fate, democracy has brought communism to us...

[Get Real!]

So the scenario is to attack the Turkish troops in the North while leaving Turkey alone????And what would the Turkish war planes be doing while this is going on??? I don''t believe I am seriously discussing this option...

Bir and others, instead of asking the same questions over and over, why don't you read the actual thread where you'll find the answers to most of your questions there.

[Get Real!]

Eliko , the whole point is that most forum members do not consider war as a means of achieving a solution to the Cyprus problem as advocated by GR , who is convinced that Cyprus , perhaps with the help of Greece , and this is Perhaps with a capital P. He is also convinced that Cyprus is now a world player and if it has to it can take on Turkey and defeat it. This is pure nonsense and any one with slightly more brain than GR can see how ridiculous such assertions are . The same assertions were made by the military coup leaders way back in 1974 , remember the famous words , "we shall throw them in the sea !!!

Your lies and twists are not worth responding to and be it known to you, in case you haven't figured it out yet, that if it were not for the TC members of the forum in support of the status quo, I'll bet your confused baboon talk would yield you ZERO votes.

[growuptcs]

Sorry Miltiades my vote goes to GR for his political guerilla warfare. It's the only way to deal with ignorance for those who cant explain a peaceful solution to Cyprus.

[Oracle]

As I said, it would be more interesting to see just the GC support on these two stands ..... without the TC input (for no more reason other than we now have the mixed GC plus TC view).

So would you repeat this process but for TCs to refrain from voting?

[Eliko]

miltiades 'Creetings' and thank you for dismissing my observations in your usual cavalier fashion.

Had you taken the time to read and digest what I submitted, you may have noticed that I was not advocating 'War' but was referring to the choices (2) we were invited to vote on.

I did state that I was inclined to favour Get Real's views and I will explain why I felt it was necessary to do so, quite simply, YOU were the only alternative and I consider your powers of persuasion to be somewhat inferior to those of Get Real.

I do feel that you would fail (as a negotiator) in proposing acceptable solutions since you would possibly be a little too flexible in accepting the views of those you may have entered into debate with on such important issues as would come under discussion.

Which is quite surprising since you are generally notoriously inflexible in most of the topics you comment on.

It is THAT inconsistency (and remember we are only speculating here) which prompted me to favour Get Real who would, I feel, be more capable of maintaining his stance in such a debate (as aforementioned).

In the arena of politics ( and I am sure we are all well aware of what takes place in such arenas) placing YOU there would be tantamount to throwing a lamb to the wolves, you are far too nice a chap to be subjected to such a fate and I would not countenance such treatment of you.

The outcome of this poll will in no way have any relevance outside of this forum, be wary of delusion my old friend, these are only games we play.

Respect. Eliko.

[Oracle]

miltiades 'Creetings' and thank you for dismissing my observations in your usual cavalier fashion.

Had you taken the time to read and digest what I submitted, you may have noticed that I was not advocating 'War' but was referring to the choices (2) we were invited to vote on.

I did state that I was inclined to favour Get Real's views and I will explain why I felt it was necessary to do so, quite simply, YOU were the only alternative and I consider your powers of persuasion to be somewhat inferior to those of Get Real.

I do feel that you would fail (as a negotiator) in proposing acceptable solutions since you would possibly be a little too flexible in accepting the views of those you may have entered into debate with on such important issues as would come under discussion.

Which is quite surprising since you are generally notoriously inflexible in most of the topics you comment on.

It is THAT inconsistency (and remember we are only speculating here) which prompted me to favour Get Real who would, I feel, be more capable of maintaining his stance in such a debate (as aforementioned).

In the arena of politics ( and I am sure we are all well aware of what takes place in such arenas) placing YOU there would be tantamount to throwing a lamb to the wolves, you are far too nice a chap to be subjected to such a fate and I would not countenance such treatment of you.

The outcome of this poll will in no way have any relevance outside of this forum, be wary of delusion my old friend, these are only games we play.

Respect. Eliko.

In true Olympic spirit .....

Let the games commence!

Dream, Compete, Achieve

[miltiades]

miltiades 'Creetings' and thank you for dismissing my observations in your usual cavalier fashion.

Had you taken the time to read and digest what I submitted, you may have noticed that I was not advocating 'War' but was referring to the choices (2) we were invited to vote on.

I did state that I was inclined to favour Get Real's views and I will explain why I felt it was necessary to do so, quite simply, YOU were the only alternative and I consider your powers of persuasion to be somewhat inferior to those of Get Real.

I do feel that you would fail (as a negotiator) in proposing acceptable solutions since you would possibly be a little too flexible in accepting the views of those you may have entered into debate with on such important issues as would come under discussion.

Which is quite surprising since you are generally notoriously inflexible in most of the topics you comment on.

It is THAT inconsistency (and remember we are only speculating here) which prompted me to favour Get Real who would, I feel, be more capable of maintaining his stance in such a debate (as aforementioned).

In the arena of politics ( and I am sure we are all well aware of what takes place in such arenas) placing YOU there would be tantamount to throwing a lamb to the wolves, you are far too nice a chap to be subjected to such a fate and I would not countenance such treatment of you.

The outcome of this poll will in no way have any relevance outside of this forum, be wary of delusion my old friend, these are only games we play.

Respect. Eliko.

In true Olympic spirit .....

Let the games commence!

Dream, Compete, Achieve

So that Eliko along with the rest of the comic military experts ,
this is what the genius wrote , note that he advocates war as the only option remaining , those that voted for his views voted for war .
He does however state "Evidently, the RoC does not really have any other option anymore """
This guy is a nutter , he should be locked up or even more appropriate sent to a loony farm .
Eliko you , by voting for GR s views were endorsing that WAR IS the only solution , because it was this post that got me really mad that some one can be so bloody irresponsible .
THIS IS WHAT GR STANDS FOR THIS IS WHAT THE VOTE FOR HIM ENDORSED :

The Military Option: Turkey Vs Cyprus

Any illusions of a complex inter-communal political arrangement being implemented in Cyprus is now history, Turkey’s EU make-believe journey is over, and it is now a race to get the upper hand in technology, political influence, and in the overall balance of power because unfortunately it’s become apparent that Cyprus can only be liberated in the same way it was enslaved… through bloodshed!

The RoC is very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the Republic of Cyprus and not the other way round.

Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.

In the event of a war there is little doubt that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose. Realistically, most wars don't last longer than a month and it is with strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table. The Republic of Cyprus can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower and equipment…

http://www.army.gov.cy/index.php?id=227

…including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey with ballistic missiles so all southern Turkish naval ports that can be used to provide further reinforcements can be leveled. The Turkish air force can be countered by the newly acquired French Mistral S2A technology (this is actually the world’s finest S2A)…

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mistral/

…and last but not least the GS’s have every reason to fight to the end as they have nowhere else to go anyway and they certainly have the advantage of numbers on the island.

On the other hand, Turkey’s fragile political nature coupled with the shock of fierce resistance and that of the fight spilling onto Turkish soil with civilian casualties could make the Turkish regime capitulate from embarrassment and scurry to the negotiating table as they will most likely be expecting a re-run of July 1974!

A breakdown of current sizes of forces on the island reveals…

“Greeks”
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National Guard 10,000
Greek Cypriot Reservists 88,000
Greek ELDIK ?
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98,000

“Turks”
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Turkish Cypriot Soldiers 4,000
Turkish Cypriot Reservists 26,000
Turkish Military 39,000
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69,000

NB: Greeks have not been included here as it is unlikely that they will ever come to Cyprus’ aid if history is anything to go by, something that was further reinforced by Greece’s total failure to look after one of her Aegean rocks from Turkish attack (Imia) not too long ago…

http://pedia.counsellingresource.com/openpedia/Imia

Another option for the RoC would be the hiring of professional armies to assist in conjunction with the National Guard in the removal of the enemy from Cypriot soil such as Blackwater…

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

Blackwater’s mission reads:

“To support national and international security policies that protect those who are defenseless and provide a free voice for all with a dedication to providing ethical, efficient, and effective turnkey solutions that positively impact the lives of those still caught in desperate times.”

With the demise of the Annan plan, and the official Turkish and Turkish Cypriot policy of “Taksim” being very loud and clear, it appears that all political options for the solution of the Cyprus problem have been exhausted.

Evidently, the RoC does not really have any other option anymore and that is why for the last couple of years she has clearly shifted from a defensive military stance to an offensive one with the acquisition of short and mid-range missiles, sophisticated radar systems, attack helicopters, and other modern hardware to compliment her new military alliance with France.

The military option has always been on the table for the RoC but only now it is being taken very seriously so is Turkey truly invincible against Cyprus? but more importantly… what happens to the 120,000 odd Turkish Cypriots sandwiched in the middle?

Will they be swallowed up by Turkey into fully fledged Turkish Nationals and withdrawn to Turkey? Will most perish in a final Christian crusade to rid of Turkey once and for all from Cyprus? Or will they opt for a European integration in the nick of time and forget any “statehood” aspirations on forbidden Christian soil?

Regards, GR.

[Oracle]

Admit it Miltiades .... in your heart you want to vote for GR! ....

[miltiades]

Eliko , the whole point is that most forum members do not consider war as a means of achieving a solution to the Cyprus problem as advocated by GR , who is convinced that Cyprus , perhaps with the help of Greece , and this is Perhaps with a capital P. He is also convinced that Cyprus is now a world player and if it has to it can take on Turkey and defeat it. This is pure nonsense and any one with slightly more brain than GR can see how ridiculous such assertions are . The same assertions were made by the military coup leaders way back in 1974 , remember the famous words , "we shall throw them in the sea !!!

Your lies and twists are not worth responding to and be it known to you, in case you haven't figured it out yet, that if it were not for the TC members of the forum in support of the status quo, I'll bet your confused baboon talk would yield you ZERO votes.

I do not support the status quo stupid , my position is well known . The baboon here can only be your pompous self-regarding comedian who suggests that the only option left is a war with Turkey .
I support the political war , the EU and International arena of political conflict not a bloody war you Plonker.