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[Paphitis]

No prizes for those who can guess which way I voted....

I want to ask one simple question to those who think war is an option....

Lets say RoC and Greece did manage to defeat Turkey in a lightening military strike....What then?????????Will Greece march into Istanbul and make it their capital again???? What will you do with the 50 Million or so Turks who live in Turkey,and the 5 million or so who live in the diaspora???? How long do you think it will take them to reorganise and strike back,using all means possible(including suicide bombers,terrorist tactics etc) to liberate their homeland?????

Now Greece taking over Constantinople is a very ridiculous notion and will never be contemplated by Greece. Nor would Greece ever attempt to invade any other piece of Turkish territory.

But,dear Paphitis...How can you defeat Turkey comprehensively without invading her territory???And if you don't invade Turkey what would stop Turkey from reorganising and invading Greece???? Or the rest of Cyprus for that matter???

Listen Bir, all these hypothetical scenarios that I have discussed are for the ultimate goal of liberating Cyprus. Such a scenario would inevitably cause conflict in the Aegean as well. Greece is more than capable of defending herself here.

No Greek in their right mind would contemplate defeating Turkey comprehensively by invading her in any way shape or form. Galipoli and the Asia Minor campaign are very valuable lessons!

If Turkish Troops ever retreat from Cyprus, the international community will mobilise to never allow it to obtain a stranglehold on Cyprus again as this would amount to a second invasion of a sovereign nation.

[Paphitis]

I have do disagree here. In the long term there can be no military solution to the Cyprus Problem for the Greek Cypriots. In the unlikely event of the Turkish forces being thrown off the island the bulk of the Turkish military would still be alive and kicking on the mainland. Cyprus would thereafter be under siege, the economy of the ROC would collapse and the ability to buy more armaments for defence would go. If Greece were involved in this expulsion they would no doubt suffer casualties and the pressure from NATO and many Greeks for peace would be overwhelming. Turkey is one of the proudest pig-headed countries in the world, it would never accept a military defeat by the ROC and sooner or later somehow it would seek revenge, even if it meant exclusion from the EU.

So why are we arming ourselves with sophisticated offensive weaponry?

Even without Greece's help, it is possible for the CNG to defeat the Turkish Army, although this would be more difficult. I will let GR explain to you how this is possible.

I am not advocating any military action, but a serious nation will keep all it's options open.

Therefore, the Gambari talks better not fail!

Good night

[BirKibrisli]

No prizes for those who can guess which way I voted....

I want to ask one simple question to those who think war is an option....

Lets say RoC and Greece did manage to defeat Turkey in a lightening military strike....What then?????????Will Greece march into Istanbul and make it their capital again???? What will you do with the 50 Million or so Turks who live in Turkey,and the 5 million or so who live in the diaspora???? How long do you think it will take them to reorganise and strike back,using all means possible(including suicide bombers,terrorist tactics etc) to liberate their homeland?????

Now Greece taking over Constantinople is a very ridiculous notion and will never be contemplated by Greece. Nor would Greece ever attempt to invade any other piece of Turkish territory.

But,dear Paphitis...How can you defeat Turkey comprehensively without invading her territory???And if you don't invade Turkey what would stop Turkey from reorganising and invading Greece???? Or the rest of Cyprus for that matter???

Listen Bir, all these hypothetical scenarios that I have discussed are for the ultimate goal of liberating Cyprus. Such a scenario would inevitably cause conflict in the Aegean as well. Greece is more than capable of defending herself here.

No Greek in their right mind would contemplate defeating Turkey comprehensively by invading her in any way shape or form. Galipoli and the Asia Minor campaign are very valuable lessons!

If Turkish Troops ever retreat from Cyprus, the international community will mobilise to never allow it to obtain a stranglehold on Cyprus again as this would amount to a second invasion of a sovereign nation.

So the scenario is to attack the Turkish troops in the North while leaving Turkey alone????And what would the Turkish war planes be doing while this is going on??? I don''t believe I am seriously discussing this option...

[Eliko]

I am somewhat inclined to favour the views expressed by Get Real (although a little less forcefulness in some areas of his strong opinions might entice members to support them more readily) since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures.

Miltiades is doubtless sincere in his beliefs, unfortunately he is wide open to political chicanery and I think we have all had quite enough of that.

On a lighter note, Miltiades has an advantage over Get Real in that he is apparently quite fond of his wine, that being the case (although Get Real is slightly ahead at this stage of the poll) he can find some solace via imbibement should he be defeated whereas poor Get Real will have little to console him should HE be the vanquished.

On a lighter- lighter note, the slang term for 'Wine' is 'Plonk', I do wonder if it would be in order to refer to one who has a strong predilection for the juice of the grape, as a 'Plonker', an interesting play on words don't you think ?.

[quote=miltiades] ps no.2 . what does imbibement mean ? !!! [/quote]

I take it you are joking of course, I wonder what are your views on the formulation of the word 'Plonker' ?.

[Jerry]

I have do disagree here. In the long term there can be no military solution to the Cyprus Problem for the Greek Cypriots. In the unlikely event of the Turkish forces being thrown off the island the bulk of the Turkish military would still be alive and kicking on the mainland. Cyprus would thereafter be under siege, the economy of the ROC would collapse and the ability to buy more armaments for defence would go. If Greece were involved in this expulsion they would no doubt suffer casualties and the pressure from NATO and many Greeks for peace would be overwhelming. Turkey is one of the proudest pig-headed countries in the world, it would never accept a military defeat by the ROC and sooner or later somehow it would seek revenge, even if it meant exclusion from the EU.

So why are we arming ourselves with sophisticated offensive weaponry?

Even without Greece's help, it is possible for the CNG to defeat the Turkish Army, although this would be more difficult. I will let GR explain to you how this is possible.

I am not advocating any military action, but a serious nation will keep all it's options open.

Therefore, the Gambari talks better not fail!

Good night

So, we throw the Turkish Army off the island, then what?

What happens to the TC population? Do we deport all the settlers and foreign carpetbaggers too?

[Paphitis]

No prizes for those who can guess which way I voted....

I want to ask one simple question to those who think war is an option....

Lets say RoC and Greece did manage to defeat Turkey in a lightening military strike....What then?????????Will Greece march into Istanbul and make it their capital again???? What will you do with the 50 Million or so Turks who live in Turkey,and the 5 million or so who live in the diaspora???? How long do you think it will take them to reorganise and strike back,using all means possible(including suicide bombers,terrorist tactics etc) to liberate their homeland?????

Now Greece taking over Constantinople is a very ridiculous notion and will never be contemplated by Greece. Nor would Greece ever attempt to invade any other piece of Turkish territory.

But,dear Paphitis...How can you defeat Turkey comprehensively without invading her territory???And if you don't invade Turkey what would stop Turkey from reorganising and invading Greece???? Or the rest of Cyprus for that matter???

Listen Bir, all these hypothetical scenarios that I have discussed are for the ultimate goal of liberating Cyprus. Such a scenario would inevitably cause conflict in the Aegean as well. Greece is more than capable of defending herself here.

No Greek in their right mind would contemplate defeating Turkey comprehensively by invading her in any way shape or form. Galipoli and the Asia Minor campaign are very valuable lessons!

If Turkish Troops ever retreat from Cyprus, the international community will mobilise to never allow it to obtain a stranglehold on Cyprus again as this would amount to a second invasion of a sovereign nation.

So the scenario is to attack the Turkish troops in the North while leaving Turkey alone????And what would the Turkish war planes be doing while this is going on??? I don''t believe I am seriously discussing this option...

Trying to outrun a Mistral Surface to Air Missile (SAM).

Now Good Night BIR.

[iceman]

So the scenario is to attack the Turkish troops in the North while leaving Turkey alone????And what would the Turkish war planes be doing while this is going on??? I don''t believe I am seriously discussing this option...

and i don't believe you find this thread serious enough to comment.







"War does not determine who is right, only who is left"

[Get Real!]

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left"

That makes every participant a communist...

[iceman]

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left"

That makes every participant a communist...

As long as no one gets hurt i have no problem with that..........do you?

[Get Real!]

Do we deport all the settlers and foreign carpetbaggers too?

No, being democratic people we setup the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials and let justice determine the course which may include deportation.