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[Get Real!]

So what does the winner get a pseudo state in Paphos?

No the brits have already got that

kalimera young man

Kalimera, or make that Kalispera Rich...

[Eliko]

I am somewhat inclined to favour the views expressed by Get Real (although a little less forcefulness in some areas of his strong opinions might entice members to support them more readily) since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures.

Miltiades is doubtless sincere in his beliefs, unfortunately he is wide open to political chicanery and I think we have all had quite enough of that.

On a lighter note, Miltiades has an advantage over Get Real in that he is apparently quite fond of his wine, that being the case (although Get Real is slightly ahead at this stage of the poll) he can find some solace via imbibement should he be defeated whereas poor Get Real will have little to console him should HE be the vanquished.

On a lighter- lighter note, the slang term for 'Wine' is 'Plonk', I do wonder if it would be in order to refer to one who has a strong predilection for the juice of the grape, as a 'Plonker', an interesting play on words don't you think ?.

[Sotos]

Did GR and Miltiades propose solution somewhere? Ask from both to post their solution and then I will tell which one I agree most! I think both want very similar solution.

[Paphitis]

My dream for Cyprus has always been for a modern Democratic EU country for which I started a thread some time ago, and expressed this on countless occasions.

The “Why partition is not possible” thread I recently started, was to explore the possibility of a military confrontation as a last resort and I honestly don’t believe that it’s impossible for Cyprus to be liberated even with no outside military support, but at the right moment and via the right plan, always with clear and attainable objectives.

I do not hate Greece but feel disappointed with her for obvious reasons, but I have since moved on mentally, and am now very happy that Cyprus has gone from being a very dependant and fragile island to a world class competing country.

Finally, Miltiades cleverly chose to initiate this poll while I was exploring the military confrontation and has thus exploited the moment to portray me as a “war monger” but I’m sure that the wiser members of the forum know exactly what each of us stands for without getting influenced by Miltiades’ opportunistic attempt at aggrandizement.

In all honesty, I wouldn’t have a clue what Miltiades stands for… time hasn’t answered this question for me because I’ve observed him promote a conflicting variety of things from Cypriotism to American imperialism, and a whole bunch of things in-between, so I am at a loss…

But anyway, I know EXACTLY what I believe in including my willingness to march to Kyrenia and Apostolos Andreas, if and when necessary.

Regards, GR.

GR, all in all, your points of view are quite reasonable and this is why I voted for you.

Miltiades, your point of view for reconciliation and reproachment to the TCs is probably the most desired, but I have unfortunately lost all hope that Turkey will even consider a fair and viable solution which is why I believe that the military option can never be ruled out as a last resort.

[Paphitis]

Did GR and Miltiades propose solution somewhere? Ask from both to post their solution and then I will tell which one I agree most! I think both want very similar solution.

This is a great idea. Both GR and Miltiades can post (in detail) what they believe is a fair and viable solution in Cyprus and we can have another poll based on that.

[Get Real!]

Did GR and Miltiades propose solution somewhere? Ask from both to post their solution and then I will tell which one I agree most! I think both want very similar solution.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus17310.html

[miltiades]

I am somewhat inclined to favour the views expressed by Get Real (although a little less forcefulness in some areas of his strong opinions might entice members to support them more readily) since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures.

Miltiades is doubtless sincere in his beliefs, unfortunately he is wide open to political chicanery and I think we have all had quite enough of that.

On a lighter note, Miltiades has an advantage over Get Real in that he is apparently quite fond of his wine, that being the case (although Get Real is slightly ahead at this stage of the poll) he can find some solace via imbibement should he be defeated whereas poor Get Real will have little to console him should HE be the vanquished.

On a lighter- lighter note, the slang term for 'Wine' is 'Plonk', I do wonder if it would be in order to refer to one who has a strong predilection for the juice of the grape, as a 'Plonker', an interesting play on words don't you think ?.

Eliko , the whole point is that most forum members do not consider war as a means of achieving a solution to the Cyprus problem as advocated by GR , who is convinced that Cyprus , perhaps with the help of Greece , and this is Perhaps with a capital P. He is also convinced that Cyprus is now a world player and if it has to it can take on Turkey and defeat it. This is pure nonsense and any one with slightly more brain than GR can see how ridiculous such assertions are . The same assertions were made by the military coup leaders way back in 1974 , remember the famous words , "we shall throw them in the sea !!!
My position has never altered , I have never deviated from my position that the solution to the Cyprus problem must be through negotiations and the leverage of the EU as well as the International community .
You state above re: GR "since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures."""
Are you referring the grasp of world events and terrorism as in Bin Laden and the suicide bombers that you both admire ?? Is it his "grasp" of polemics that convinces him that Cyprus can take on Turkey and defeat her , thus achieving the objective and liberating by force the occupied areas ? I have in the past expressed my astonishment at the wasted education that you received , once again I repeat what a bloody waste of an education.
I say this not because you also think on the same lines as this moron , but because of your above grotesque statement about a man who thinks that the Cyprus nation can achieve liberation of the occupied areas by defeating Turkey !!In an international specialist forum dealing with international warfare , you would be laughed at and ridiculed !!

ps. Do note that so far the majority that have voted are against war , I believe , taking his own vote , his support is less then 40% .
ps no.2 . what does imbibement mean ? !!!

[Paphitis]

I am somewhat inclined to favour the views expressed by Get Real (although a little less forcefulness in some areas of his strong opinions might entice members to support them more readily) since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures.

Miltiades is doubtless sincere in his beliefs, unfortunately he is wide open to political chicanery and I think we have all had quite enough of that.

On a lighter note, Miltiades has an advantage over Get Real in that he is apparently quite fond of his wine, that being the case (although Get Real is slightly ahead at this stage of the poll) he can find some solace via imbibement should he be defeated whereas poor Get Real will have little to console him should HE be the vanquished.

On a lighter- lighter note, the slang term for 'Wine' is 'Plonk', I do wonder if it would be in order to refer to one who has a strong predilection for the juice of the grape, as a 'Plonker', an interesting play on words don't you think ?.

Eliko , the whole point is that most forum members do not consider war as a means of achieving a solution to the Cyprus problem as advocated by GR , who is convinced that Cyprus , perhaps with the help of Greece , and this is Perhaps with a capital P. He is also convinced that Cyprus is now a world player and if it has to it can take on Turkey and defeat it. This is pure nonsense and any one with slightly more brain than GR can see how ridiculous such assertions are . The same assertions were made by the military coup leaders way back in 1974 , remember the famous words , "we shall throw them in the sea !!!
My position has never altered , I have never deviated from my position that the solution to the Cyprus problem must be through negotiations and the leverage of the EU as well as the International community .
You state above re: GR "since I think he has a better grasp of the realities of general warfare and it's structures."""
Are you referring the grasp of world events and terrorism as in Bin Laden and the suicide bombers that you both admire ?? Is it his "grasp" of polemics that convinces him that Cyprus can take on Turkey and defeat her , thus achieving the objective and liberating by force the occupied areas ? I have in the past expressed my astonishment at the wasted education that you received , once again I repeat what a bloody waste of an education.
I say this not because you also think on the same lines as this moron , but because of your above grotesque statement about a man who thinks that the Cyprus nation can achieve liberation of the occupied areas by defeating Turkey !!In an international specialist forum dealing with international warfare , you would be laughed at and ridiculed !!

ps. Do note that so far the majority that have voted are against war , I believe , taking his own vote , his support is less then 40% .
ps no.2 . what does imbibement mean ? !!!

Are you saying that there is absolutely no chance that Cyprus and Greece can defeat Turkey in an open conflict?

I am not advocating a war here but I am just asking whether you believe that Turkey can be defeated by Greece and Cyprus should such a conflict occur.

[Oracle]

This poll would have been more meaningful if Turk-TCs did not cast a vote, as quite clearly they are not going to vote for Get Real!'s leaning towards Cyprus' capability to defeat Turkey.

I for one would have liked to see just whom the GCs would have backed.

Can we have another one?

[miltiades]

Did GR and Miltiades propose solution somewhere? Ask from both to post their solution and then I will tell which one I agree most! I think both want very similar solution.

Sotos , surely you know GRs solution.
War , a few mercenaries if we have to , hope Greece lends a hand , but if not have no fear GR is here , we shall defeat Turkey might even march on to Constantinople .
My solution will come from mutual negotiations , the leverage available via the EU and the International community and that Turkey will negotiate , bearing in mind that it will also come under pressure from the T/Cs.
I do not believe that war is an option , I do not believe that Cyprus can achieve a solution by war and I believe that those that talk of war are the same people that caused the catastrophe in the first place. My commitment is to a united Cyprus , I opposed the AP because it was not a unifying plan but a legalised partition.
Cyprus must not make the mistake of thinking that force can achieve the desired results , It will not , and it will have huge repercussions that will shake the foundations of the nation for years to come.
Does any G/C politician support GRs assertion that war can achieve a solution ??
Let me also remind you that the last impression we want to give the world community is that we are preparing for war.
We can send Turkey a message that should she nurture any ambitions of extending her conquest we shall not be an easy target , but we must never fantasize that we can militarily achieve what we set out to.