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Amongst TC's , people from the villages around Paphos are known to be a bit thick and extremely stingy.

..... Yeah, there used to be a lot of TCs in Paphos when that rumour first started ...... and know there are mostly Brits.

[alexISS]

Btw, I saw a previous post of GR where he again mentioned the Imia incident as proof of the Greek army being spineless. I had already replied to him in the past and he obviously missed it, so here it is again:

Regarding the Imia incident you brought up in the other thread, how did you come to the conclusion that Greece "lost" anything? The island is as Greek as it ever was, the criticism towards the Greek government of that time focuses on them accepting the mediation of the United States, not on "losing" in a confict with Turkey.

Here's an extract from Bill Clinton's autobiography regarding the incident:

"I spoke to President Suleyman Demirel and Prime Minister Tansu Ciller of Turkey. They told me that Turkey and Greece were on the brink of military confrontation and implored me to intervene to stop it."

[umit07]

If the Greeks are so full of themselves why don't shoot down every plane that enters their so called airspace?

Like the one that got shot down in 1996? A fact which the Turkish generals decided to hide from the public to avoid going to war...

It's true after all, the most insulting thing one can say to a Turk is that their army is not invincible... I understand that it's the generals that run the country, but do you people simply believe anything they tell you?

That is true alexiss but you do know that a Greek fighter was shot down as revenge and the Greeks also reported it as an accident! Don't you think that not tellıng the truth in this situation was the truth.

THere isn't an invincible army in the world and I personally don't take it as a insult. What I find absurd is that if the GC's went to war to regain the north some idiots think that they actually have a chance and that Greece would back thm in their suicide mission.

Do you think that the Greek gov. would approve and ally the GC's in this battle?

[miltiades]

"""WHICH VIEWS DO YOU CONSIDER MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A REALISTIC , JUST AND PEACEFULL SOLUTION TO THE CYPRUS PROBLEM : GR OR MILTIADES . ""

Can someone introduce a poll based on above. I have to admit I do not know how to do it . It seems that GR is the expert but I dont see him activating it.
Some one do it please and lets see how much support the war mongers have , if only on this forum.

Because I couldn't be bothered... In fact I'm a bit embarrassed that my name is next to yours in a poll!

62 years of age , married to the same woman for over 44 years , father and grandfather , does not gamble , womanize take drugs or chase prostitutes . PROUD CYPRIOT PROUD FATHER PROUD GRANDFATHER !!
Why is an arsehole like you embarrased that your name is next to me ,
is it because I'm more of a man than you will ever be !!

[umit07]

Amongst TC's , people from the villages around Paphos are known to be a bit thick and extremely stingy.

..... Yeah, there used to be a lot of TCs in Paphos when that rumour first started ...... and know there are mostly Brits.

Would you say it's true for GC's?

[alexISS]

If the Greeks are so full of themselves why don't shoot down every plane that enters their so called airspace?

Like the one that got shot down in 1996? A fact which the Turkish generals decided to hide from the public to avoid going to war...

It's true after all, the most insulting thing one can say to a Turk is that their army is not invincible... I understand that it's the generals that run the country, but do you people simply believe anything they tell you?

That is true alexiss but you do know that a Greek fighter was shot down as revenge and the Greeks also reported it as an accident!

That's a LIE umit07, it WAS an accident, the greek fighter crashed during a dogfight, no Turkish aircraft ever fired a missile against a Greek one. You know why? Because your generals know they are violating the Greek airspace. I must admit that Greek fighters do the same occasionaly (violate Turkish airspace) but always in retaliation

Do you think that the Greek gov. would approve and ally the GC's in this battle?

Today war is an impossible scenario. However, it's certain that Cyprus would never go to war against Turkey without Greece's support

[Get Real!]

Because I couldn't be bothered... In fact I'm a bit embarrassed that my name is next to yours in a poll!

62 years of age , married to the same woman for over 44 years , father and grandfather , does not gamble , womanize take drugs or chase prostitutes . PROUD CYPRIOT PROUD FATHER PROUD GRANDFATHER !!
Why is an arsehole like you embarrased that your name is next to me ,
is it because I'm more of a man than you will ever be !!

Oh it's so true...

In fact, you're so much more of a man that, instead of longing to liberate your country you'd rather dream about it... and that's what I call mental strength!

[umit07]

I don't think so alexiss. It was shot down in my opinion. No war will take in my opinion also but if there was a war between the three I still think the Greeks would loose it may take a month or two but in the end in my opinion Turkey's extremely large amount of manpower would win the battle.

[alexISS]

I don't think so alexiss. It was shot down in my opinion. No war will take in my opinion also but if there was a war between the three I still think the Greeks would loose it may take a month or two but in the end in my opinion Turkey's extremely large amount of manpower would win the battle.

I'm sorry umit but it's a fact: it wasn't shot down, no turkish missile has ever hit a Greek fighter. If you'll ask me I will search for links, but not before Monday I'm afraid, sorry about that.

Regarding a possible war between Greece and Turkey: You know perfectly well that in such a case the conflict will not be limited to Cyprus, it will spread across the Aegean and the borders in Thrace. Now, Turkey has a huge army, that's true. The problem is they have absolutely no way to transfer them to Greek soil. There is an unpenetrateable net of missile installations on the Greek islands that, combined with the very strong Greek naval forces make an aegean invasion unthinkable. The same goes for the land border in Thrace. The mountaneous terrain, the extremely high concentration of Greek forces and the short border line make it impossibe for Turkey to advance. The only way would be through an alliance with Bulgaria that would allow Turkish troops to pass through the Bulgarian border, but that's a scenario even crazier than the one we're discussing now

[Nikitas]

Umit asks:

"If the Greeks are so full of themselves why don't shoot down every plane that enters their so called airspace?"

it is called rules of engagement, a whole set of procedures that must be followed to ensure that no civilian plane is shot down by mistake and that the violating plane is in fact armed and hostile. So a visual check must be made, the plane signaled to get out etc etc.

The only case of a deliberate downing I recall is of a Turkish reconnaissance equipped F-16 within Greek territory, over eastern Crete, a few years back and the pilot was taken in custody, in hospital actually, and it happened in the 90s. The incident was extensivly covered in the media although it was said to have been an accident.