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[shahmaran]

Agreed, religion is the ultimate carrot and stick with which to control the masses ...... But what is the replacement in Turkey?

It is the Military; and to some that is just another form of religion.

When will Turkey stop bouncing from one extreme to another, and settle for Democracy?

I think it was democracy that brought them here in the first place, so no need to turn the place into Iran for the sake of democracy, which would ultimately be the end of democracy and secularism in Turkey anyways...

It was a reaction against the alternative which brought them to power. But democracy doesn't start and stop as a means to acquire power. It's the practice of sustainable Democracy which fails in Turkey.

Oracle AKP is working in very insidious ways in order to get his people in charge of the key points within the country, he is trying to influence everything from education to law, the army and also his nepotic politics is making business very hard for anyone who doesn't support his so called "moderate Islam" views.

Because of him kids can now go to a Kuran school instead of the standard education and their qualification would be equally valid for entering university, he has brought down the forced retirement age for judges so that he can get them out of the way eventually, the head scarf issue is basically just the tip of the iceberg.

Meanwhile all the foreign powers who support him totally turn a blind eye to his religious agendas and insist on democracy this and democracy that.

So it makes one wonder what kind of a mentality do these foreigners really bare towards the interior workings of this country when they themselves wouldn't approve of such fundamental ideologies to flourish into power within their country.

Basically they don't give a shit about democracy, they will support whoever serves their interests and call it whatever they want, regardless of the mentality of these bastards, whether this is AKP, or the Taliban, or the PKK, PJAK, or Humeini, Saddam you name it...
That's how corrupt the West really is.

Half of this country is still refusing to be like Iran and a puppet of America and they have every reason to do so.

[Oracle]

Agreed, religion is the ultimate carrot and stick with which to control the masses ...... But what is the replacement in Turkey?

It is the Military; and to some that is just another form of religion.

When will Turkey stop bouncing from one extreme to another, and settle for Democracy?

I think it was democracy that brought them here in the first place, so no need to turn the place into Iran for the sake of democracy, which would ultimately be the end of democracy and secularism in Turkey anyways...

It was a reaction against the alternative which brought them to power. But democracy doesn't start and stop as a means to acquire power. It's the practice of sustainable Democracy which fails in Turkey.

Oracle AKP is working in very insidious ways in order to get his people in charge of the key points within the country, he is trying to influence everything from education to law, the army and also his nepotic politics is making business very hard for anyone who doesn't support his so called "moderate Islam" views.

Because of him kids can now go to a Kuran school instead of the standard education and their qualification would be equally valid for entering university, he has brought down the forced retirement age for judges so that he can get them out of the way eventually, the head scarf issue is basically just the tip of the iceberg.

Meanwhile all the foreign powers who support him totally turn a blind eye to his religious agendas and insist on democracy this and democracy that.

So it makes one wonder what kind of a mentality do these foreigners really bare towards the interior workings of this country when they themselves wouldn't approve of such fundamental ideologies to flourish into power within their country.

Basically they don't give a shit about democracy, they will support whoever serves their interests and call it whatever they want, regardless of the mentality of these bastards, whether this is AKP, or the Taliban, or the PKK, PJAK, or Humeini, Saddam you name it...
That's how corrupt the West really is.

Half of this country is still refusing to be like Iran and a puppet of America and they have every reason to do so.

That all makes sense Dr. Shah!

[Kifeas]

AK Party closure a sure thing, says former minister

A newspaper columnist and former Education Minister Hasan Celal Güzel has stated that the Constitutional Court would certainly shut down the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) because such a move would enable the establishment to maintain its grip on power.

Güzel was speaking at a symposium organized by the Anatolian Lions Businessmen’s Association (ASKON) when he referred to a lawsuit filed by a state prosecutor in late March that seeks to close the AK Party, saying: “You should understand that the possibility of the AK Party being shut down by the court is not 99 percent, but 100 percent. What are these people -- fools? Will they first make it look as if they are closing the party and then not close it? If that happens, the AK Party will add another 20 percent to its votes,” Güzel said, implying that the establishment would never let that happen.
The AK Party was re-elected to a second term in June 2007 after garnering 47 percent of the popular vote. Expressing his view that Turkey is undergoing a time of crisis, Güzel said illegitimate forces within Turkey are struggling to take over the state, thus strong-arming the nation. Güzel said this is how the case against the AK Party should be understood. “This is not a legal case but a major perversion. Unfortunately, a lawsuit has been filed through the politicized judiciary. In reality, as has happened in the past, this aimed to ‘teach the politicians’ their place. What is more important, it aims to teach the people their place, too,” he said.

He also criticized the Republican People’s Party (CHP) in his speech, saying that the despotism of its leader, Deniz Baykal, has been in place for years. “It is a despotism that cannot come out of the ballot and is one that actually consciously hates the people.” He also accused the CHP of provoking some segments in the military who would like to stage a coup.

The damage of a potential coup

Güzel also talked about the prospects of a military coup in Turkey as he explained that a severe economic crisis would be inevitable if a coup were to take place. He made clear that he did not have any intention of scaring anyone about the likelihood of an economic crisis. However, he said: “A coup brings along an economic crisis. I do not mean to scare anyone, but a very severe economic crisis awaits Turkey if the AK Party is closed,” Güzel said.

In this respect, he suggested that those who rule out the prospects of a coup in Turkey on the grounds that Turkey has engaged in globalization are mistaken in their claims. Yet, he claimed that the Turkish public would not easily surrender to the perpetrators of a military coup this time. “Coup supporters should know that the Turkish public will not surrender to them easily. Today’s public is different from the public of the 1960s. Everyone should take steps while bearing this in mind. A military coup in Turkey now means Turkey’s division. Everyone should know this and act accordingly,” noted Güzel.

He also ruled out allegations that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan would do nothing against the threat of his party’s closure, as was the case with Welfare Party (RP) leader Necmettin Erbakan in the past. “I had the chance to know Erdoğan. I do not think he will act like Erbakan. If he does, then curse him. I don’t think he will ever surrender,” added Güzel.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=141470

Inshallah!

[BirKibrisli]

Sorry,Kifeas,but this guy is talking out of his backside...

A military coup now would certainly cause economic hardship,but for the people,not for the Army...Turkey would turn into a fascist state,people would rot in jail,but DIVIDE she will NOT...People ,especially the Kurdish dissidents would be round up and and made to sing the Turkish national anthem,morning ,noon,and evening...Democracy would be forever put on the shelf,and not one soldier leave Cyprus....A military coup would be a disaster for Cyprus....

[karma]

Inshallah!

H Elpida pethenei teleutaia

[karma]

Sorry,Kifeas,but this guy is talking out of his backside...

A military coup now would certainly cause economic hardship,but for the people,not for the Army...Turkey would turn into a fascist state,people would rot in jail,but DIVIDE she will NOT...People ,especially the Kurdish dissidents would be round up and and made to sing the Turkish national anthem,morning ,noon,and evening...Democracy would be forever put on the shelf,and not one soldier leave Cyprus....A military coup would be a disaster for Cyprus....

and what is it now??

[BirKibrisli]

Inshallah!

H Elpida pethenei teleutaia

Is this a private joke,or can we all share it?????

[BirKibrisli]

Sorry,Kifeas,but this guy is talking out of his backside...

A military coup now would certainly cause economic hardship,but for the people,not for the Army...Turkey would turn into a fascist state,people would rot in jail,but DIVIDE she will NOT...People ,especially the Kurdish dissidents would be round up and and made to sing the Turkish national anthem,morning ,noon,and evening...Democracy would be forever put on the shelf,and not one soldier leave Cyprus....A military coup would be a disaster for Cyprus....

and what is it now??

A Warmly Islamic Semi-Democracy?????

[Kifeas]

Sorry,Kifeas,but this guy is talking out of his backside...

A military coup now would certainly cause economic hardship,but for the people,not for the Army...Turkey would turn into a fascist state,people would rot in jail,but DIVIDE she will NOT...People ,especially the Kurdish dissidents would be round up and and made to sing the Turkish national anthem,morning ,noon,and evening...Democracy would be forever put on the shelf,and not one soldier leave Cyprus....A military coup would be a disaster for Cyprus....

Sorry Bir, I know I may disappoint you but the Inshallah was for the division of Turkey, under any circumstances! Turkey is not a real, natural and proper nation-state, but only the oddment ("retali") of the Ottoman Empire! It is an abnormality! It is what is left from the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, as it is awaiting its complete dissolution and disappearance! Nature dictates that empires and despotic entities emerge and then collapse and disappear! The Ottoman Empire has not yet completely disappeared, but its leftover has simply changed a hat and a name and transvestited itself into what people now call "Turkey!" One day it will be completely eradicated, like so many empires of the past! It is a law of nature!

[unitedwestand]

Sorry,Kifeas,but this guy is talking out of his backside...

A military coup now would certainly cause economic hardship,but for the people,not for the Army...Turkey would turn into a fascist state,people would rot in jail,but DIVIDE she will NOT...People ,especially the Kurdish dissidents would be round up and and made to sing the Turkish national anthem,morning ,noon,and evening...Democracy would be forever put on the shelf,and not one soldier leave Cyprus....A military coup would be a disaster for Cyprus....

Sorry Bir, I know I may disappoint you but the Inshallah was for the division of Turkey, under any circumstances! Turkey is not a real, natural and proper nation-state, but only the oddment ("retali") of the Ottoman Empire! It is an abnormality! It is what is left from the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, as it is awaiting its complete dissolution and disappearance! Nature dictates that empires and despotic entities emerge and then collapse and disappear! The Ottoman Empire has not yet completely disappeared, but its leftover has simply changed a hat and a name and transvestited itself into what people now call "Turkey!" One day it will be completely eradicated, like so many empires of the past! It is a law of nature!

Just shows you know nothing about Turks and Turkey. You are talking about the most patriotic group of people on our planet for Gods sake.

Your hatred for the Turks is distorting your judgement Kifeas