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[Oracle]

This sounds like the sort of typical "non-problem" that academia is riddled with ....

[Kifeas]

The University of Cyprus yesterday announced that it would accept a limited number of Turkish Cypriot students in the 2008 academic year.

Five positions have been opened for each of the following undergraduate courses:

English Studies Department
French and Modern Language Studies
Turkish and Middle Eastern Studies
History and Archaeology
Classical Studies and Philosophy
Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies
Psychology studies

Anyone know why they have a "limited" number of places within the universities for the TC students?

Specially a ridiculous number like 5 for each course totalling to an astonishing number of 35 STUDENTS! WOW thanks RoC! Why did you bother

They cant seriously be appointing spaces according to ethnicity or is that common practice?

Is this how our universities work as well?

shahmaran, if you happen to check the RoC constitution, education was one of the subjects falling under and regulated by each of the two communities, through the communal councils. I.e., education in Cyprus was not unified and directly under the control of the government of the RoC, but it was passing first through communities. The RoC was funding the two community councils, in order to provide education to the members of their communities. The University of Cyprus comes under the GC community, which is also why the official language is the Greek one. As such, it has no obligation to provide open access to the members of the TC community, but only on a willful and selective basis.

[shahmaran]

The University of Cyprus yesterday announced that it would accept a limited number of Turkish Cypriot students in the 2008 academic year.

Five positions have been opened for each of the following undergraduate courses:

English Studies Department
French and Modern Language Studies
Turkish and Middle Eastern Studies
History and Archaeology
Classical Studies and Philosophy
Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies
Psychology studies

Anyone know why they have a "limited" number of places within the universities for the TC students?

Specially a ridiculous number like 5 for each course totalling to an astonishing number of 35 STUDENTS! WOW thanks RoC! Why did you bother

They cant seriously be appointing spaces according to ethnicity or is that common practice?

Is this how our universities work as well?

shahmaran, if you happen to check the RoC constitution, education was one of the subjects falling under and regulated by each of the two communities, through the communal councils. I.e., education in Cyprus was not unified and directly under the control of the government of the RoC, but it was passing first through communities. The RoC was funding the two community councils, in order to provide education to the members of their communities. The University of Cyprus comes under the GC community, which is also why the official language is the Greek one. As such, it has no obligation to provide open access to the members of the TC community, but only on a willful and selective basis.

Fair enough, i was not questioning the legality of the matter, just pointing it out.

It still doesn't make it right since the RoC encourages the TC`s to obtain their ID card and to become its citizen only to turn around and say such crap about not having to let them in the universities because they are not actually Greek (!!), but oh well, thank god we don't have to depend on those bastards.

Thanks for proving me right Kifeas.

HA! In your face DT, GR and whoever!

[Get Real!]

HA! In your face DT, GR and whoever!

Not only do you cultivate oranges but your brain has gradually taken their form lately... Kifeas correctly reminded that education falls under the London/Zurich agreements... the very agreements your people abandoned and declared "null & void"!

So, here you are today trying to accuse the RoC of being racist only to find that far from it, they even allow Turkish Cypriots to study in GC institutions even though they don't have to!

A thread that backfired in... Shah's face!!!

[Oracle]

Even if it is from "Greeks" ..... resist from looking a gift horse in the mouth.

[Kifeas]

The University of Cyprus yesterday announced that it would accept a limited number of Turkish Cypriot students in the 2008 academic year.

Five positions have been opened for each of the following undergraduate courses:

English Studies Department
French and Modern Language Studies
Turkish and Middle Eastern Studies
History and Archaeology
Classical Studies and Philosophy
Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies
Psychology studies

Anyone know why they have a "limited" number of places within the universities for the TC students?

Specially a ridiculous number like 5 for each course totalling to an astonishing number of 35 STUDENTS! WOW thanks RoC! Why did you bother

They cant seriously be appointing spaces according to ethnicity or is that common practice?

Is this how our universities work as well?

shahmaran, if you happen to check the RoC constitution, education was one of the subjects falling under and regulated by each of the two communities, through the communal councils. I.e., education in Cyprus was not unified and directly under the control of the government of the RoC, but it was passing first through communities. The RoC was funding the two community councils, in order to provide education to the members of their communities. The University of Cyprus comes under the GC community, which is also why the official language is the Greek one. As such, it has no obligation to provide open access to the members of the TC community, but only on a willful and selective basis.

Fair enough, i was not questioning the legality of the matter, just pointing it out.

It still doesn't make it right since the RoC encourages the TC`s to obtain their ID card and to become its citizen only to turn around and say such crap about not having to let them in the universities because they are not actually Greek (!!), but oh well, thank god we don't have to depend on those bastards.

Thanks for proving me right Kifeas.

HA! In your face DT, GR and whoever!

My friend, I suggest you read the RoC constitution, which by the way your "motherland" Turkey insisted been imposed upon the Cypriot people!

The RoC doesn't encourage TCs to obtain its ID card! The TCs apply and ask for RoC IDs, and the RoC grants them because it has an obligation to do so, in accordance to the constitutional requirements! The UoCy doesn't have a constitutional obligation to admit TC students, simply because it comes under the GC community’ educational system! Nevertheless, the GCs are not admitted without restrictions but they have to pass very tough entry exams which are in Greek, which is also the official language of the university! If the UoCy was to use the same criteria to admit TCs, i.e. entry exams in Greek, perhaps much less than the 35 given scholarships would have been able to make it!

[shahmaran]

So let me get this straight, it does not matter whether we have a RoC ID or not (which in fact you are asked to obtain if you try to cross to the South with a TRNC card, hence why i don't bother going anymore) because you are still not really considered as a Cypriot and even if you are, you are still discriminated for being of Turkish ethnicity in this case?

Is that correct?

So all this wishwash about "living in the free areas" actually comes down to THIS??

No university has to have an obligation to admit anyone, yet no university actually makes a point in accepting students of a specific ethnicity if it was not refusing to admit them in the first place, i mean which university chooses its students according to their ethnicity? And i don't mean the difference between local and foreign students!

Who cares about the RoC constitution, go to any university within the EU and you are either a EU/local student or you are a foreign student, it does not matter whether you are Japanese or Ugandian or Jamaican, you are just an international student.

But the university of Cyprus has an opening for 5 TC students WOW!

[Kifeas]

So let me get this straight, it does not matter whether we have a RoC ID or not (which in fact you are asked to obtain if you try to cross to the South with a TRNC card, hence why i don't bother going anymore) because you are still not really considered as a Cypriot and even if you are, you are still discriminated for being of Turkish ethnicity in this case?

Is that correct?

So all this wishwash about "living in the free areas" actually comes down to THIS??

No university has to have an obligation to admit anyone, yet no university actually makes a point in accepting students of a specific ethnicity if it was not refusing to admit them in the first place, i mean which university chooses its students according to their ethnicity? And i don't mean the difference between local and foreign students!

Who cares about the RoC constitution, go to any university within the EU and you are either a EU/local student or you are a foreign student, it does not matter whether you are Japanese or Ugandian or Jamaican, you are just an international student.

But the university of Cyprus has an opening for 5 TC students WOW!

Nonesense!

[Oracle]

Here's a typical ethnic-based scholarship requirement quote which is equivalent to a "reserved" / "limited" place for TCs .....

Ethnic Mission Scholarship
The Ethnic Mission Scholarship fund was originally established to aid deserving Baptist students who are of Latin American, Asian, Asian-American, or American Indian descent who were unable to finance a college education.

The Ethnic Mission Scholarship provides $27 per semester hour up to a maximum of $400 per semester. The requirements to receive the Ethnic Missions Scholarship are:

Be a member of an ethnic Baptist congregation;
Be a Texas resident;
Attend a Texas Baptist university.
For more information and an application, contact the Baptist General Convention of Texas, Ethnic Mission Scholarship, 333 N. Washington Ave., Dallas, Texas 75246, (214) 828-5100.

In Universities such requirements are not viewed as discriminatory but beneficial because they address certain needs ..... and if governments / benefactors had more money, a greater number of these would be available ... so surely it is a good thing that 5 TCs will be treated to places ....

[humanist]

shahmaran

Anyone know why they have a "limited" number of places within the universities for the TC students?

Specially a ridiculous number like 5 for each course totalling to an astonishing number of 35 STUDENTS! WOW thanks RoC! Why did you bother

They cant seriously be appointing spaces according to ethnicity or is that common practice?

Is this how our universities work as well?

Shahmaran, I agree with your comment above. Unless it has something to do with funding. I am not sure if university education in Cyprus is free or paid.

The other thing that I feel may impact on the decision is whether TC's attending university accept to be citizens of Cyprus or trnc, though if the trnc is not recognised then that leaves them to be Cypriot citizens and you are right linguistic and ethnic background shouldn't impact on education.