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[Oracle]

The last thing I advocate is war ... precisely because it will be my friends and relatives that would suffer the most .... for me, I've been there and I would relish revenge, but I hope to take that desire to my grave and not harm anyone!

Which is why Turkey must be made to realise that they would not stand a chance against an EU that would be flexing for its first joint major conflict.

As I said, they will be issuing a troops-withdrawal notice ... after/during military build-up ..... so Turkey will have long enough to realise they mean business.

And Bill, turn the telescope the right way ....

In war we ALL suffer.

I know that ... which is why I say no war ... and Turkey must play ball and negotiate before anyone does anything silly!

[unitedwestand]

The last thing I advocate is war ... precisely because it will be my friends and relatives that would suffer the most .... for me, I've been there and I would relish revenge, but I hope to take that desire to my grave and not harm anyone!

Which is why Turkey must be made to realise that they would not stand a chance against an EU that would be flexing for its first joint major conflict.

As I said, they will be issuing a troops-withdrawal notice ... after/during military build-up ..... so Turkey will have long enough to realise they mean business.

And Bill, turn the telescope the right way ....

As Bill said sometimes you talk absolute rubbish. War should be avoided like the plague. Do you seriously believe the EU would go into war for you? Greece maybe, and that's a big maybe but the EU?

[Oracle]

The last thing I advocate is war ... precisely because it will be my friends and relatives that would suffer the most .... for me, I've been there and I would relish revenge, but I hope to take that desire to my grave and not harm anyone!

Which is why Turkey must be made to realise that they would not stand a chance against an EU that would be flexing for its first joint major conflict.

As I said, they will be issuing a troops-withdrawal notice ... after/during military build-up ..... so Turkey will have long enough to realise they mean business.

And Bill, turn the telescope the right way ....

As Bill said sometimes you talk absolute rubbish. War should be avoided like the plague. Do you seriously believe the EU would go into war for you? Greece maybe, and that's a big maybe but the EU?

Stupid boy / girl ... what have I been saying about war being avoided at all costs! ... and Turkey must be made to understand that!

But regarding the EU ... it does not have to go to war for us ... because we are the EU!

[unitedwestand]

The last thing I advocate is war ... precisely because it will be my friends and relatives that would suffer the most .... for me, I've been there and I would relish revenge, but I hope to take that desire to my grave and not harm anyone!

Which is why Turkey must be made to realise that they would not stand a chance against an EU that would be flexing for its first joint major conflict.

As I said, they will be issuing a troops-withdrawal notice ... after/during military build-up ..... so Turkey will have long enough to realise they mean business.

And Bill, turn the telescope the right way ....

As Bill said sometimes you talk absolute rubbish. War should be avoided like the plague. Do you seriously believe the EU would go into war for you? Greece maybe, and that's a big maybe but the EU?

Stupid boy / girl ... what have I been saying about war being avoided at all costs! ... and Turkey must be made to understand that!

But regarding the EU ... it does not have to go to war for us ... because we are the EU!

Good God, you became an EU member under dubious circumstances. The EU are embarrassed by it all, they have admitted you lied and cheated your way into it. They even said if they knew then what they know now you would never have been accepted, and you now say WE ARE THE EU. Sick, bloody sick. The lot of you.

You are a disgrace to the human race. You should all hang your heads in shame.

[Get Real!]

Turkey will annialate the ROC and you will end up with nothing ~ Turkey will get what it's always wanted and that's the whole of Cyprus.

Before Greece come to help ( if they help ) everything will be over and the ROC will be lost for ever and you will be living under Turkish rule.

That’s the fastest way for Turkey to become the next Iraq.

The west has different levels of priorities in its grand ongoing scheme to control the world, and one of those is to stop the Muslim world from expanding any further. While it is true that there are no visible plans to rush to the immediate aid of Cyprus, Turkey will never be allowed to hold onto Cyprus. If she is stubborn and foolish enough, Turkey risks climbing very rapidly on the west’s list of priorities of “problems” which will most likely yield the Iraq treatment.

Geopolitically, Turkey will not survive another clash with Cyprus even if the RoC was to attack first, quite simply because the RoC has the right to fight for her territory and has international law behind her condemning Turkey.

Sweeping predictions by some that Turkey can overrun Cyprus in 48 or whatever hours are as short-sighted as ignoring the geopolitical aftermath.

[Get Real!]

UWS, when you post you should aim to have a certain level of accuracy if you are to be regarded a credible poster, because a sweeping statement like…

“The EU are embarrassed by it all, they have admitted you lied and cheated your way into it.”

…is nothing but the sensationalizing of ONE man’s accusation, and namely Gunther Verheugen, the former industry commissioner, who made a complete fool of himself when he stood up in front of everybody in the EU and complained that the outcome of a "democratic referendum” (referring to the AP) was "promised" to him beforehand but didn't come to pass!

So quit using sensationalizing techniques to “impress” when making your point because you only achieve the opposite.

[Nikitas]

Remember the Yavuz? Flagship of the Turkish navy which got itself stuck in a sand bar within Greek territorial waters in Kos and had to be unstuck by Greek tugs?

Is this the superior training that Purdey is talking about? Remember the Kocatepe in 1974 when the superbly trained Turkish air force, supposedly the best in Nato, sank the ship and damaged two others, killing 200 sailors?

Remember the self inflicted casualties by shells that fell short in Kyrenia?

These incidents prove that the Turkish armed forces make the same blunders as all armies and like all armies they can be defeated. War is a business and the most agile and fast acting can win. The problem is that military guys the world over are neither agile nor fast thinkers. Just listen to how they talk and the language they use, these guys cannot even speak properly! And I am talking about ALL military people.

How do we define victory in such a conflict? There are many scenarios that can be interpreted as victorious be each side. But no matter what the outcome, the infliction of notable losses on the Turkish armed forces will force a change in Turkey itself and the status of the army in the state setup. Just think of a situation where the Turkish army is held at bay by the National Guard which they regard with contempt, or the loss of 50 planes in a couple of days. It would be a great chance for the politicians to oust the military once and for all. But in the end it will be the small guys that suffer so that the big guys can benefit.

[purdey]

74 was a long time ago. As for the military not speaking properly, maybe they don't. They are there to serve their chosen country and fight when called upon, not to be sitting around watching tv and partaking in polite coversation.
Men and women have fought and given their lives for freedom of others, maybe you should lambast their relatives on their linguistic skills, agility and fast thinking.

[Oracle]

The last thing I advocate is war ... precisely because it will be my friends and relatives that would suffer the most .... for me, I've been there and I would relish revenge, but I hope to take that desire to my grave and not harm anyone!

Which is why Turkey must be made to realise that they would not stand a chance against an EU that would be flexing for its first joint major conflict.

As I said, they will be issuing a troops-withdrawal notice ... after/during military build-up ..... so Turkey will have long enough to realise they mean business.

And Bill, turn the telescope the right way ....

As Bill said sometimes you talk absolute rubbish. War should be avoided like the plague. Do you seriously believe the EU would go into war for you? Greece maybe, and that's a big maybe but the EU?

Stupid boy / girl ... what have I been saying about war being avoided at all costs! ... and Turkey must be made to understand that!

But regarding the EU ... it does not have to go to war for us ... because we are the EU!

Good God, you became an EU member under dubious circumstances. The EU are embarrassed by it all, they have admitted you lied and cheated your way into it. They even said if they knew then what they know now you would never have been accepted, and you now say WE ARE THE EU. Sick, bloody sick. The lot of you.

You are a disgrace to the human race. You should all hang your heads in shame.

..... sounds like someone is sick with envy!

[observer]

Karl Von Clausewitz“War is nothing but a continuation of politics by other means”.

Turkey has nothing to gain politically by attacking RoC, and much to lose.
RoC has little to gain politically by attacking Turkey and much to lose.