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[Nikitas]

"The real question is if the GCs will ever accept by heart to become a COMMUNITY of Cyprus once again and give up their current unconstitutional status as the nation. "

So far the evidence is that the south is a lot more willing to share than the north. evidence the employment of TCs in the south, the ability to set up a business etc.

As a personal observation, repeat personal, the body language of TC leaders when we see them on TV is stiff and hesitant, as if they are in a witness box. Perhaps they are worried about how they wil lbe judged, by who I wonder.

[Viewpoint]

"The real question is if the GCs will ever accept by heart to become a COMMUNITY of Cyprus once again and give up their current unconstitutional status as the nation. "

So far the evidence is that the south is a lot more willing to share than the north. evidence the employment of TCs in the south, the ability to set up a business etc.

As a personal observation, repeat personal, the body language of TC leaders when we see them on TV is stiff and hesitant, as if they are in a witness box. Perhaps they are worried about how they wil lbe judged, by who I wonder.

Body language should not be the only factor you judge our leaders on, what they say and do is more important.

[Nikitas]

VP

I did emphasise the personal opinion aspect. Body language says a lot about a person. Several branches of psychiatry use it as an important diagnostic tool.

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

Or is it 590,000?

Why not throw in Turkeys 74 million then and call it 74,590,000 !!!

Because the are not TCs.

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

VP , we were talking about the indigenous Turkish Cypriots mate , you know the type surely you can differentiate , but I'm forgetting that you were not born in Cyprus !

Define an indigenous TC .
That would be something , a Greek telling us Turks what we are and are not .Just to help you along , is VP an indigenous TC . Am I , who was born in Cyprus to a Greek speaking family an indigenous TC? Do we stop being indigenous upon being forcibly emigrated by Makarios and his thugs?

Go ahead , define . And whilst we at it define a GC, as well.

I will define a TC for you.

TC=Cypriot

I will also define a GC for you.

GC=Cypriot

Therefore we can conclude that GC=TC. We have much more in common than what most care to admit. Let us also experiment with DNA testing of GCs and TCs and see that we are related in our DNA footprints much more than the so called motherlands.

You succeeded in defining Cypriots but not a TC or GC.
You may be correct about genetics , but I fail to see the relevance . An example , Bosnian moslems are not that different genetically to Serbs .

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

A very stupid and racist definition that omits many Tcs.

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

So you will refuse to be compatriots with anyone who moves to Cyprus afterwards?

That's not very Turkish in the sense of hospitality is it

I was not aware that people can live for hundreds of years . What of those born after 1974?

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

So you will refuse to be compatriots with anyone who moves to Cyprus afterwards?

That's not very Turkish in the sense of hospitality is it

That is because they are not his people. They may be your people so you go and give them all the hospitality you want.

Iceman's people are his fellow TCs, and dare I also say it, the GCs in the south.

Personally, I would be proud to invite a fellow Cypriot (TC) into MY house and treat him/her like MY family or brother/sister. I could not give a shit about the fascistical nationalism and motherland loyalties that only succeeded in dividing Cyprus not for the interest of TCs (as they will soon almost be extinct in the north) but for the interests of the superpowers.

Yes, GCs and TCs where played like little pawns by these powers and now look at the results.

You are missing the point Paphitis, you cant treat people who live in your country as foreigners just because they havent been here for 100s of years, thats exactly what the GC's are doing to us and you want us to do it to the next new comer?

This has nothing to do with Greeks and Turks, its about being human!

Anyone who considers themselves Cypriot should be our people, yes?

If you are referring to the Turkish Anatolian settlers, that were bought to occupied cyprus to change the demographics of our country, I will tell you that they should leave.

The importing of these settlers also amounts to a WAR CRIME under the Geneva convention. They should all leave, unless they married a TC in which case they can stay. However, understanding the impost of their deportations back to their country (Turkey), maybe some compensation or remuneration should be offered to alleviate their suffering as humans.

As for the other TCs that where ethnically cleansed by Turkey, they are more than welcome to come back. We will welcome them with open arms as the citizens of our country.

Many are returning , to the welcoming arms of the TRNC

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

Here you have it Bilako a spot on definition of a T/C .
What defines me as a G/C is that my father , his father , their father , their grndparents were all CYPRIOTS , for hundreds of years !!

Where is the spot ? The definition is wrong and racist in the sense that it does not allow for outside additions to the pool of TCs. An example , a Cypriot who migrates to the UK can pick up British citizenship after a short period of residency .

[bilako22]

Don't be so sure Paphitis, I am myself a TC who's not going anywhere nor I wish to have anything to do with the Republic of the Corrupt, and I assure you that I am far from alone...

Sure, but you are a minority. You should not be so sure that relations between the TCs and the Turkish Army or the settlers are all sweet as.

You may not be going anywhere, but many TCs who are not either members of the fascistical Grey Wolves, Neopartitionist or the morally corrupt (to use someone else's terminology) who enjoy the illegal fruits and possessions of the ethnically cleansed and enjoy all the plum jobs and opportunities due to severe corruption and "trnc" nepotism for the ruling elites, will have no choice but to leave for better opportunities. This is what is happenning in your neck of the woods and in time the 110,000 TCs that live in occupied Cyprus will become 80,000 and then 50,000 and then 40,000 and then.....................................the TCs will unfortunately become an insignificant minority in the illegal state created by Turkey that was supposedly to be their saviour. Then there will be no TCs left in Cyprus except for the morally corrupt and the overwhelming part of the population will be Turkish Military and settlers. As I said, the majority of TCs will be ethnically cleansed by stealth and the only ones that remain would be the ruling elites who take advantage of the current situation and line their bank accounts with the sale of stolen properties etc.

Its funny you say that because I thought we were only around 75,000 here so we are a serious minority anyway, on the other hand there was always the option of being exterminated by the GC`s.

Do you seriously think that the TC`s started leaving AFTER Turkey came here?

Thanks for correcting my statistics. Clearly the Turkish ethnic cleansing machine is much more efficient than what I anticipated.

And let me tell you this. As a GC myself, I have absolutely no desire to exterminate anyone, including the TCs. And I can put my hand to my heart and tell you that 99% of my fellow GCs do not even have the slightest intention of hurting a TC let alone exterminating them them.

I think you have very tactfully ignored my last sentence

Turkey is only making up for the damage you have caused in order to rid the island from TC's.

Again, you reap what you saw.

Yes I beleive that most TCs left post invasion, and are still leaving in droves. Those that are not a part of the morally corrupt, ruling elite, and do not feed on the inherant corruption to line their bank accounts have had no choice but to leave for better opportunities.

When the "trnc" was declared, there where 120,000 TCs. Now there are 75,000 as you put it or 70,000 according to Miltiades. A reduction of 50,000!

Well screw you very much Paphitis, you are calling me, my family and their likes morally corrupt because they haven't left the island?

What the fuck is this some Alfred Hitchcock story?

So you force people out of their country with various sinister agendas and then you call the ones who stay behind "morally corrupt"?

This time you really are talking out of your arse my friend...

It must be getting late in Australia

No, I do not call you morally corrupt. You may be a TC that is originally from where you reside and hence are not taking advantage of the situation. I do not know you so I have no right calling you anything, so just relax.

I also did not call most TCs currently in the "trnc" as morally corrupt. The morally corrupt are those that are capitalising on the current situation and hence do not have any interest in a fair solution. Those of you that fall into this category, know who you are.

Surely all the Tcs in the TRNC are "capitalising".