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[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

[miltiades]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

Or is it 590,000?

Why not throw in Turkeys 74 million then and call it 74,590,000 !!!

[bilako22]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

VP , we were talking about the indigenous Turkish Cypriots mate , you know the type surely you can differentiate , but I'm forgetting that you were not born in Cyprus !

Define an indigenous TC .
That would be something , a Greek telling us Turks what we are and are not .Just to help you along , is VP an indigenous TC . Am I , who was born in Cyprus to a Greek speaking family an indigenous TC? Do we stop being indigenous upon being forcibly emigrated by Makarios and his thugs?

Go ahead , define . And whilst we at it define a GC, as well.

[Paphitis]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

VP , we were talking about the indigenous Turkish Cypriots mate , you know the type surely you can differentiate , but I'm forgetting that you were not born in Cyprus !

Define an indigenous TC .
That would be something , a Greek telling us Turks what we are and are not .Just to help you along , is VP an indigenous TC . Am I , who was born in Cyprus to a Greek speaking family an indigenous TC? Do we stop being indigenous upon being forcibly emigrated by Makarios and his thugs?

Go ahead , define . And whilst we at it define a GC, as well.

I will define a TC for you.

TC=Cypriot

I will also define a GC for you.

GC=Cypriot

Therefore we can conclude that GC=TC. We have much more in common than what most care to admit. Let us also experiment with DNA testing of GCs and TCs and see that we are related in our DNA footprints much more than the so called motherlands.

[iceman]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

[shahmaran]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

Are the Russians and the Chinese in the South "your people" iceman?

[miltiades]

[quote="Murataga
We, the TCs, are as one with the GCs, as a resident of Edirne is one with a resident of Thessaloniki – historically, ethnically, sociologically, culturally, linguistically, and religiously. Denying this is either illiteracy or indecency and trying to enforce otherwise is fatal on all levels.

Greek nationalism in Cyprus was well and alive way before EOKA was officially launched. Nationalism, be it GC or TC, was not fueled by EOKA or TMT. Nationalism is a by-product of industrialization and it was effectively spread around the world with the outbreak of the French Revolution in 1789. As a consequence, almost all major Empires eventually came to an end and numerous countries got established along (essentially) ethnic lines. The borders of these newly developed countries, with very minor exceptions, have been drawn as a consequence of some armed conflict along the way. The fact of the matter is that today these borders are the recognized borders of dozens of U.N. member countries – including Greece and Turkey. The TCs and GCs came to brink of this conflict numerous times because the situation was not different for them from a historical, sociological, cultural and ethnic standpoint. However, instead of carrying out the battle we made an agreement - an agreement that allowed each side to self-govern its affairs without the other interfering, an agreement that barred any and all union with the motherlands. A careful observer will come to the undisputable conclusion that this agreement was in essence what the member countries of the EU have among themselves today, but with the only major difference in that there were no borders controlled per community. The GC side wanted to change this agreement to their advantage. We refused and the rest is history.

In summary, there is no legitimate historical, moral, democratic or humane argument that can justify the TCs to hand over their self-governing rights over to the GCs in any way on this island. Because we have refused to hand these rights over to the GCs we have been attacked and enclaved for years. Union can not and will not mean becoming a part of some synthetically generated identity that is numerically dominated by peoples of Hellenic ambitions, life-style, policies, culture, religion, and language. That is not democracy, that is tyranny and it is not much different than asking Greece to unite with Turkey so that the Aegean can become a more democratic place. As acknowledged by the U.N.: there are TWO COMMUNITIES in Cyprus, one GC and the other TC. Union can only be realized when the GCs accept (by heart) that they are not the nation but only a COMMUNITY of Cyprus.[/quote]

Are you therefore saying that there were NOT CYPRIOTS , prior to the Ottomans arriving in 1571 ?? Because we the Cypriots have existed for more than 7 thousand years , the Greeks and Turks arrived much later .
We are a nation of Cypriots , some have seen the light and have accepted reality , some steadfastly refuse to accept the existence of Cyprus and its people as a separate entity from that of either Greece or Turkey. It always annoys me that the G/Cs and the T/Cs are marching on ignoring realities on this island. I wish those "motherland affecionados "would do us all a favour and march towards their respective motherlands , of course they will not do this because they all love Cyprus too much !!
Let us also remember that Cyprus is far too advanced in comparison to Greece and much more so to Turkey , not only economically but socially to.
We do not condone forced marriages , honour killings , we have freedom of speech and the right to criticise our nation and its leaders , we are not controlled by the army and neither do we pray to mere mortals . In all we are as a Cypriot race way ahead of the two foreign nations that have so much influence in our country.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS THE TRUE MOTHERLAND OF ALL CYPRIOTS .

[shahmaran]

The actual figure is 69356 T/Cs !!

There are 256.000 voting TRNC citizens full stop, they are all our people.

Talk for yourself viewpoint....there might be 256.000 voting but they are NOT all my people...(and i've been a TC all my life................not recently)

What are your people , matey? Define a TC , if you dare.

My people....TC's are the descendants of the Ottomans who have been living in Cyprus for hundreds of years..........Not since 1974.

So you will refuse to be compatriots with anyone who moves to Cyprus afterwards?

That's not very Turkish in the sense of hospitality is it

[Paphitis]

Don't be so sure Paphitis, I am myself a TC who's not going anywhere nor I wish to have anything to do with the Republic of the Corrupt, and I assure you that I am far from alone...

Sure, but you are a minority. You should not be so sure that relations between the TCs and the Turkish Army or the settlers are all sweet as.

You may not be going anywhere, but many TCs who are not either members of the fascistical Grey Wolves, Neopartitionist or the morally corrupt (to use someone else's terminology) who enjoy the illegal fruits and possessions of the ethnically cleansed and enjoy all the plum jobs and opportunities due to severe corruption and "trnc" nepotism for the ruling elites, will have no choice but to leave for better opportunities. This is what is happenning in your neck of the woods and in time the 110,000 TCs that live in occupied Cyprus will become 80,000 and then 50,000 and then 40,000 and then.....................................the TCs will unfortunately become an insignificant minority in the illegal state created by Turkey that was supposedly to be their saviour. Then there will be no TCs left in Cyprus except for the morally corrupt and the overwhelming part of the population will be Turkish Military and settlers. As I said, the majority of TCs will be ethnically cleansed by stealth and the only ones that remain would be the ruling elites who take advantage of the current situation and line their bank accounts with the sale of stolen properties etc.

Its funny you say that because I thought we were only around 75,000 here so we are a serious minority anyway, on the other hand there was always the option of being exterminated by the GC`s.

Do you seriously think that the TC`s started leaving AFTER Turkey came here?

Thanks for correcting my statistics. Clearly the Turkish ethnic cleansing machine is much more efficient than what I anticipated.

And let me tell you this. As a GC myself, I have absolutely no desire to exterminate anyone, including the TCs. And I can put my hand to my heart and tell you that 99% of my fellow GCs do not even have the slightest intention of hurting a TC let alone exterminating them.

[denizaksulu]

It is difficult for non-Turkish people to understand the Army's place in the heart of the Turkish people...Turkey itself is the creation of the Military led by one man,who is treated as semi-God...To criticise the army is to criticise Ataturk,and that is sacrilege for 99% of the Turkish people...

Please stop this war talk...And the talk which ends with the threat to pulverise the entire North of our Country...That is not the way to make friends and influence people,in this day and age...Only a nuclear war can bring Turkey to her knees,and as a member of NATO I'd say she is well protected from that eventuality...
War mongering only helps drive the partition nails further into our homeland's bossom...If that is the motivation,there are easier ways to achieve it than a senseless and suicidal conflict from which Cyprus will come out as the biggest loser...

At the moment both sides are negotiating. Therefore, lets just wait and see what happens. Personally, I beleive there is as much chance of a negotiated settlement as Paris Hilton still being a virgin.

After all avenues for a peacefull settlement are exhausted, then military action can never be ruled out. The borders of Cyprus end at Kyrenia and Apostolos Andreas and not at Ayios Dometios or Ledra. Cyprus would be well within it's rights in attempting to liberate it's own territory from occupation. The only thing that is required is the perfect timing and opportunism. And Turkey is certainly not undefeatable. This is especially true if Cyprus was to receive assistance from other third parties with the ever changing geopolitical landscape.

I am no war monger. And I would not wish it upon Cyprus and it's people. However, there is only so much that can be tolerated. And having one's country under occupation, can never be tolerated for ever.

Bir, I know you are a very nice man, and I take my hat off to you for being a very intelligent, fair, and honorable man. I think you can understand that we as Cypriots can not tolerate the current impasse and the recalcitrance of Turkey and it's numerous violations of international law, human rights and war crimes which continue today. Cypriots have their dignity and honor, and this is worth fighting for.

Thank you for your kind words,Paphitis...I know that you are a very decent man,and it is your desperation and frustration which make you consider war as a possibility. As far as I am concerned that option would only intensify and prolong the suffering...Turkey is not in Cyprus just for her own interests...If we consider the events which brought the occupation about we see that Turkey is primarily looking after NATO's interests. I cannot believe that The British could not have totally destroyed the EOKA back in 1955,had they wanted to...EOKA served the purpose of fueling Greek nationalism,as TMT which was also sanctioned by the British fueled Turkish nationalism...Cypriots had to be divided by this virus,to stop them from becoming one people,one nation,lest they chose to turn to communism with AKEL leading the way...There is no doubt about this,Turkey is in Cyprus with the blessing of the USA and most Western European powers. The solution to our problem lies in making all Cypriots see how we were played against each other,and became pawns in the international cold war at the time. Once most people realise this,and wake up from their nationalism stupor,the solution will follow smoothly...Cyprus is the homeland of all Cypriots...We must love every inch of it...And we must never talk about fighting each other again...We must unite as one people and make the world realise there is no longer any need for Turkey to be in Cyprus...But we have to convince the TCs first of all...And we can't do it by threats of annihilation...

BK, Merhaba.
While I agree with almost everything you say, you say that "Turkey is in Cyprus with the blessing of the USA and most Western European powers". Why then does Turkey meet with so much 'anti-Turkey Hostility' from EU. I suppose you do know which European countries these are?

Regards