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[Piratis]

Metecyp said that the majority of GC wanted a solution that benefited all.

And who are the GCs in this forum that disagree with this?

As I said many times the TCs expect to get out of this as winners, and they expect from us to accept defeat. Sorry, will not happen.

We will not allow you and Turkey to win on our loss. If you continue to make us loose, we will respond similarly. It is very simple.

Once you abandon the idea that you should win something out of this, and you understand that it is not about "winning" but it is about returning to something legal and normal, only then there is a chance to have something that will benefit both sides.

So it is up to you. Do you want "more" or do you want legal? You choose, but don't expect us to get less so you will get more and legal at the same time.

[erolz]

As I said many times the TCs expect to get out of this as winners, and they expect from us to accept defeat. Sorry, will not happen.

That is your opinion - it does not mean it is correct. What ever you think TC do not want to be the winners. They want a solution that meets their needs and rights as they see them - no more and no less than the GC want.

We will not allow you and Turkey to win on our loss. If you continue to make us loose, we will respond similarly. It is very simple.

As we will not allow you or you and the EU or you and anyone else force us to become a political minority in our own homeland. As long as you continue (as you have from the 1960's onwards) to try and deprive us of our rights as a community we will resist. It is very simple.

Once you abandon the idea that you should win something out of this, and you understand that it is not about "winning" but it is about returning to something legal and normal, only then there is a chance to have something that will benefit both sides.

Once you abandond the idea that a GC numerical majority has a right to determine the future of ALL cypriots against the will of the TC community without let or hinderance, then there is a chance to have something that will benefit both sides.

So it is up to you. Do you want "more" or do you want legal? You choose, but don't expect us to get less so you will get more and legal at the same time.

No it is up to both communites. Either we find a compromise that satisfies us both or we do not. However the chances of doing that whilst you insist that actually it is all about one side wanting to gain at the expense of the other and nothing else, with your side having no repsonsibility and merely being 'poor victims' of our sides greed it is hard to see how we will ever achieve such a solution.

You want to believe that Cyprus is divided today, not because of any action of GC (the innocent victims), but simply because TC are greedy thieves that managed to steal from you. Such a view is firstly a gross distorition of historical reality and secondly not compatible with finding a true solution - in my humble opinion.

[MicAtCyp]

Can someone inform me as to how it is possible to talk behind someone's back in an open forum?

Heres how:
" I know Piratis. He is an Efialtis. By now everybody knows what kind of a person he is. The reason is because he has complexes. Bananiot tries to wash his guilts for what he himself did to the TCs in the past !"

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Turkcyp,

You are doing a basic mistake. You assume the majority of GCs are NOT refugees. However the majority of GC families have either both parents refugees or one of the 2 parents a refugee. Families vote as a group. An old man having 3-4 chilrdren who is not refugee is very unlikely not to have at least 1 son in law/daughter in law refugee.
Lets take for example my family. My parents were not refugees and had 3 children. Two of us married 1974 refugees. The 3rd married a person who was 2 times refugee!! One in 1963 and one in 1974.
Lets take my wifes family:4 children of a refugee family.
Three of them married with non refugees.One with a refugee.
I have 7 neighbour families.2 of them have both parents refugees.2 of them one parent refugee.2 of them no parent refugee.....One of them are returned immigrants from South Africa....

Your initial assumption that the GCs would not have a financial earning from a solution is partially true. Some would get their properties (even rotten/destructed) back.Some would get 1/3rd back.Some would get meaningless bonds..

Furthermore I don't agree with the term "earn" . Getting back properties that are rightfully yours is not really an earning.It is getting even.However getting properties that are not yours (as it would be the case for 2/3rds of the TCs and all the settlers) it sure was an earning!

The property issue is extremely important and any solution that will even indirectly dare touch the peoples properties and ownership will end to a disaster and even bloodshed. The property issue must be settled by the individuals and the courts - to any degree that can be settled.

[cannedmoose]

He is an Efialtis.

Must be one of the few derogatory terms in Greek that I don't know. Could someone PM me with its meaning... could come in useful!

Out of interest the most insulting thing you can call a GC is 'spawn of a Turk' in my experience... doesn't go down very well...

[Piratis]

Erolz, yes you are a minority. The definition again:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

What you are trying is to gain a lot more than your 18%. In land you are trying to gain +11% (and therefore -11% for us), and in power you are trying to get +32% (which means -32% for us).

So don't tell me that you are not trying to gain on our loss. This is exactly what you are trying to do.

I know Piratis. He is an Efialtis. By now everybody knows what kind of a person he is. The reason is because he has complexes.

Who said this crap?
Can this person tell me what kind of complexes I supposedly have?
I demand what is legal, what is democratic and what respects human rights. I believe only miserable people without self respect and with slave mentality are able to live without these things without any problem.

[magikthrill]

He is an Efialtis.

Must be one of the few derogatory terms in Greek that I don't know. Could someone PM me with its meaning... could come in useful!

Out of interest the most insulting thing you can call a GC is 'spawn of a Turk' in my experience... doesn't go down very well...

Efialtis was the person who betrayed the Greeks at Thermopylae (I believe) to the Persians leading them to defeat.

In modern Greek efilatis is the exact word used for "nightmare"

Wow, I do rememebr stuff from 7th grade history. Who would have thought?

[Bananiot]

Sure you know what an efialtis is cannedmoose. He is the reason for every Greek defeat, be it war, football, eurovision etc. We never admit that the adversary was better than us. If we lose it's because one of our own betrayed us just when we were about to score our greatest victory.

Efialtis litterary means nightmare but the question is, did efialtis come before nightmare or the other way round. Did they name him efialtis after the battle of Kifeas's glorious 300 Spartan ancestors at Marathon, or was the word minted from the traitor? This perhaps we should never know.

[magikthrill]

Sure you know what an efialtis is cannedmoose. He is the reason for every Greek defeat, be it war, football, eurovision etc. We never admit that the adversary was better than us. If we lose it's because one of our own betrayed us just when we were about to score our greatest victory.

Efialtis litterary means nightmare but the question is, did efialtis come before nightmare or the other way round. Did they name him efialtis after the battle of Kifeas's glorious 300 Spartan ancestors at Marathon, or was the word minted from the traitor? This perhaps we should never know.

I think this is known, no? Younger I learned the word for nightmare got its name from the traitor. Of course I can't be too sure of this. Of course you can take this from a more experimental point of view and examine the point in which the word pops up into literature and "approximate" the answer to your questino

[cannedmoose]

Sure you know what an efialtis is cannedmoose. He is the reason for every Greek defeat, be it war, football, eurovision etc. We never admit that the adversary was better than us. If we lose it's because one of our own betrayed us just when we were about to score our greatest victory.

Efialtis litterary means nightmare but the question is, did efialtis come before nightmare or the other way round. Did they name him efialtis after the battle of Kifeas's glorious 300 Spartan ancestors at Marathon, or was the word minted from the traitor? This perhaps we should never know.

Sorry Greek folk... Greek history wasn't a major part of my education. At A-level I chose to study Russian history, so ask me a question about the collectivisation of agriculture or Tsar Alexander I's policy towards the serfs and I might be able to help!

I've got a book about the Spartans and another about the history of Ancient Greece... when I have a moment, I'll skim through it so I can keep up in future!

[Bananiot]

I meant, because of your Greek ... acquaintances, you came across an efialtis, for sure. We have one for every single misfortune that has befallen on us. Piratis probably has more than one ... but this is another story.