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[MicAtCyp]

Another difference is that Kurds exist at all levels of the Turkish goverment.

After been forced and oppressed to lose their identity and culture of course. Something that you as TCs fought to avoid. Listen Erol, those people were even deprived the right to speak their own language, cant you see the difference?
Suppose in Cyprus you were oblidged for many many years your right to speak Turkish, you were oblidged to go to Greek schools etc etc, within no time you would be more GCs than the GCs themselves.And then you would of course start getting high positions in the government at all levels etc etc, because you would actually be GCs!!!
Just for your information the Head of Papadopoulos party is not a GC but an Armenian. Yet he is so GC that nobody even notices that his surname is not really Greek but Armenian!!!

One of the ways to solve the Cyprus problem once and for all is to follow Turkeys example, wouldn’t you agree on that?

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Another difference is that Kurds exist at all levels of the Turkish goverment.

After been forced and oppressed to lose their identity and culture of course. Something that you as TCs fought to avoid. Listen Erol, those people were even deprived the right to speak their own language, cant you see the difference?
Suppose in Cyprus you were oblidged for many many years your right to speak Turkish, you were oblidged to go to Greek schools etc etc, within no time you would be more GCs than the GCs themselves.And then you would of course start getting high positions in the government at all levels etc etc, because you would actually be GCs!!!
Just for your information the Head of Papadopoulos party is not a GC but an Armenian. Yet he is so GC that nobody even notices that his surname is not really Greek but Armenian!!!

One of the ways to solve the Cyprus problem once and for all is to follow Turkeys example, wouldn’t you agree on that?

MicAtCyp, have you ever thought why there wasn't a Kurdish problem until early 80s? Have a think about it in relation with Hellenic and Armenian propaganda animosity towards Turkey.

[MicAtCyp]

You seem to be arguing (and if I have fgot you wrong here then I appologise) that TC should not be concerned with political equality of the communites

No Erol you got me wrong. My position is that the system itself decides for everything. The votes of the people in that system don't count.In a BBF system the votes of the GCs in the TCcs will not count.
As an example I can refer you to Ex Eastern block.Yes there were elections there.The nominees were getting 100% of the vote. So what was the value of any vote other than zero?

ith respect MicAtCyp you do this often - take a reply I
made to someone else out of it's context. My statement
you quote was in repsonse to why is the situation of the
Kurd different to that of the TC. Anyway in an atempt to
deal with your points above - neither was Greece created
that way but presumably you consider it democratic? The
reason why we have forced solutions in Cyprus is because
we can not agree without force. If we could agree
without external force about a common Cypriot future the
no force in the world could stop us fulfilling this
destiny. We could not agree on the future of Cyprus when
it gained it's independance - so external pressure was
apllied to make us agree

I don't think my reply was out of context-if I thought so I would not post it. You have a theory that groups have rights only if those rights were agreed at the founding date of a state,and I simply pointed out to you that this is wrong.Every group can claim rights or abandon rights during the course of a democratic system getting evolved (in case of course we talk about democratic systems and not militaristic or totalitarian). That's why I said democracy and constitutions are procedures that evolve through time. I talked specifically for "democratic" situations, whereas you generalise your argument to be valid/accepted and legal in every occasion-which in my opinion is wrong. And the very proof of that is the case of the Kurds in Turkey.

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MicAtCyp, have you ever thought why there wasn't a
Kurdish problem until early 80s? Have a think about it
in relation with Hellenic and Armenian propaganda
animosity towards Turkey.

And whats that got to do with what we are discussing here?
Anyway are you serious in telling me there was no problem before 1980? Perhaps you mean the problem was not allowed to be seen! Well thats totally different don't you think?