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Postby bilako22 » Mon May 12, 2008 9:02 am

repulsewarrior wrote:VP, forgive me for saying this but Kikapu's opinions are his own. none of us are representatives of the GC view, just as you are not the representative of the TC view. His view is different to yours and that is all. But, so long as he fights for Cyprus he is a Patriot, whatever the differences we have between us.


If you want to understand TCs and thereby find a solution VPs views are worth looking into . Kikapu is just a wind-up merchant who has views that lead nowhere , are a waste of time and merely put forward so that he can find Greek friend.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 12, 2008 9:03 am

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humanist wrote:VP why do you feel that Kikapu has to argue the TC point of view. Why is it that you cannot accept that someone else has a deifferent perspective. By that you argue that I shouldn't support the argument put forth by Shahmaran the other day in relation to University places for TC's. Where I said that the RoC needs to do more on that issue. That I shouldn't argue for a virgin birth in case of unification.

A bit narrow minded there mate.


humanist you put forwards arguments for both sides not just the TCs or the GCs, you occasionally take a different viewpoint and show flexibility, Kikapu never does this, why? Not one comment nor even a little flexibility towards TCs, he voices and supports pure GC views, ridiculing and pissing all over our concerns and fears. He is someone who with no problem what so ever can sell us out and lick GC arse to gain support, he argues harder and stronger than any GC and does their dirty work for them, therefore in my book he is dirty traitor who can stick his views where the sun don't shine and rot abroad.

His last posts reflect a man drowning in his own shit, we have argued back and forth, insulted one another for the last 2 years and he still feels that he is worthy of being taken seriously. He is a danger to all TCs and acts just like any other traitor who tried desperately by using verbal diarrhoea to push them inti a sess pit where he will wallow in his victory of selling Cyprus to the GCs and rejoice in turning Cyprus into a Greek island.


Stop talking like a paid propagandist with lies and show us the proof that I have challenged you with, "you son of a Hitler". It is true, that I do not support anything that involves violation of Human Rights and you do. You want to hide behind the good TC's to shield yourself from being attacked because you cannot defend your actions with good principles. You are just one of those
"Pigs in Animal Farm" who is afraid of losing their ruling elitism with a true peace. You are the worse cancer there is for the True TC's. Now stop trying to convince anyone with your distorted version of events because no one believes you, even the TC's on this forum that I supposed to have committed treasonous acts against and answer my last two posts to you, if you can. You desperation is shows very clearly and desperate people do desperate things. I believe you have invented that phrase to justify your support for violating others Democratic and Human Rights.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 12, 2008 9:08 am

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Postby halil » Mon May 12, 2008 9:28 am

Kikapu wrote::idea:


did you wear your war boots ?
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Postby humanist » Mon May 12, 2008 9:44 am

okay back to the topic....
Are we capable of unification?

Just read tis article and I hope that land and property would be the most difficult issue in a unification plan.

Land, property to be roughest issues in Cyprus talks
The toughest issues during the unification talks would be land and property, Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said on Sunday, adding the negotiations will begin in June if none of the two parties in the divided island withdrew. (UPDATED)

Land, property to be roughest issues in Cyprus talks

Talat told the Turkish Cypriot news agency (TAK) on Sunday overall atmosphere prevailing at bi-communal technical and working committees, that were making preparations for extensive talks in the island, was positive despite certain differences of opinion.

"There has never been so much chance for solution," he said but added the toughest issues during talks would be land and property.

"The toughest issue is property. It is a very complex problem. 30 to 40 years have passed, the properties changed owners many times. Besides both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are very sensitive about this issue. Therefore it is a tough issue," Talat was quoted as telling TAK by the Anatolian Agency.

Talat added he believed the positive atmosphere that came along with the election of Christofias as leader of the Greek Cypriot administration and enlivening of social relations, would be reflected on the talks.

Talat and Christofias decided to meet on May 23 to review progress in the preparations for the peace negotiations during their meeting at a cocktail party on Wednesday held to mark the new efforts to find a solution to the conflict which has divided the island for 34 years.

Turkish and Greek Cypriot leaders also met in March to revive the reunification talks, which have been stalled since 2004, and agreed to start formal negotiations in July. Since then technical committees have been holding preparatory talks.



TURKISH FM BLAMES

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan told on Saturday Phileleftheros, a Greek Cypriot newspaper, it would be difficult to get a good result as long as one of the parties had an interest from deadlock, adding Turkey and Turkish Cypriots wanted solution of the problem, and showed their determination by adopting the Annan plan.

He said it was the Greek Cypriot administration who rejected the plan and no progress had been made in four years due to obstacles put forth by former Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos, adding he was still optimistic about solution of Cyprus problem.

Turkish and Greek Cypriot peoples held a referendum on the Annan plan, a UN proposal to establish a United Cyprus Republic, in 2004. The Annan plan became null and void as the Greek Cypriots rejected the plan, although Turkish Cypriots accepted it.

The foreign minister said it had become more promising after Demetris Christofias was elected the Greek Cypriot leader, and reiterated that Turkey would support the settlement process as long as the two parties in the island declared their determination.

Babacan said the Greek Cypriots were member of the European Union (EU) and had the right to veto everything related with Turkey.

"The Greek Cypriots also occupy all of the seats allocated at the European Parliament for both parties in the island, and has the monopoly to represent the entire island in international world. Also they are using EU funds only for the south of the island," he was quoted as telling Phileleftheros by the Anatolian Agency.

Babacan said one of the fundamental principles of the United Nations (UN), also accepted by the Greek Cypriots, was the political equality of the two parties. "We are not sure that they are ready to share the EU management," he also said.

Babacan added there were not any difference of opinion between authorities in Turkey, and Turkey always had a single opinion on every matter.

Turkish troops deployed in the island was a part of the solution of Cyprus problem, and it was hard to make partial agreements or find partial settlements, Babacan also said. "Therefore, we are talking about a comprehensive settlement," he added.

There are around 35,000 Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus, in addition to the Turkish Cypriot Peace Forces Command (KTBK), made up of 4,500 Turkish Cypriots.

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Postby halil » Mon May 12, 2008 10:11 am

Humanist ,
u missed some of them.
TALAT GIVES INTERVIEW TO TAK NEWS AGENCY ON LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON THE CYPRUS PROBLEM.
President Mehmet Ali Talat has said that despite differences in views between the technical committees and working groups established by the two sides, the general working atmosphere was positive and constructive.
He said that full-fledged negotiations will commence in June as planned unless one of the two sides backs out.
In an interview to the TAK news Agency, the President said that he was receiving information and reports on progress achieved by the technical committees and working groups on a systematic and daily basis.

Pointing out that all issues concerning the Cyprus Problem were being discussed, but not negotiated by the technical committees and working groups, the President said that he and the Greek Cypriot leader Demetris Christofias will be evaluating the overall progress achieved by the committees when they meet next week on the 23rd of May.
Asked to comment on the Greek Cypriot leader’s statement that the June negotiations could be postponed, the President said that the initial agreement was that talks would start in June.

“There is no need to postpone the talks under the current circumstances. The talks will go ahead as planned unless one of the two sides backs out”
Talat also said that with the start of the negotiations in June, the UN Secretary General will be appointing a new special envoy to Cyprus who will carry out the same duties as the former special envoy Alvara De Soto.
Reminded about discussions on the basis of the negotiations, President Talat said that the Turkish Cypriot Side had insisted on bringing the Annan Plan back to the negotiating table but that they had failed to persuade the Greek Cypriots into accepting this.

“We have agreed to allow both sides to bring whatever issues they want to the negotiating table” he added.
Explaining that preparations for full-fledged negotiations were going on at full speed, Talat stressed the issues of property and territorial arrangements were the two hardest topics to negotiate on.
“The property is an extremely complicated issue because it involves everyone, every individual. Ownership of properties have changed many hands over the past 30-40 years” he said, adding that Turkish and Greek Cypriots were also extremely sensitive on the issue of property.

Pointing out that territorial arrangements and adjustments was the other difficult issue on the Cyprus Problem, President Mehmet Ali Talat said “determining maps and boundaries of founding states is a concise and thorny issue which requires a great degree of careful planning. We however have not carried out a such study because maps can only be discussed if considerable progress has been achieved.”
On the issues of the guarantees, the President said that this was not difficult issue for the Turkish Cypriot Side as the guarantees were part of international agreements.

He said that the Turkish Cypriot did not support the idea of abandoning the guarantees.
As for the issues of citizenship and population brought up frequently by the Greek Cypriot leadership, Talat said he didn’t think these issues will become problems.
Pointing out that the continuation of the non-solution on the island will create serious difficulties for Turkey, The President said problems faced in Turkey’s membership process will have an adverse affect on the Cyprus negotiations process.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 12, 2008 1:20 pm

halil wrote:
Kikapu wrote::idea:


did you wear your war boots ?


Did you have something to say Halil, because I have failed to read anything between the "lines" in your message, because there was only ONE LINE. :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 12, 2008 1:27 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Stop talking like a paid propagandist with lies and show us the proof that I have challenged you with, "you son of a Hitler". It is true, that I do not support anything that involves violation of Human Rights and you do. You want to hide behind the good TC's to shield yourself from being attacked because you cannot defend your actions with good principles. You are just one of those
"Pigs in Animal Farm" who is afraid of losing their ruling elitism with a true peace. You are the worse cancer there is for the True TC's. Now stop trying to convince anyone with your distorted version of events because no one believes you, even the TC's on this forum that I supposed to have committed treasonous acts against and answer my last two posts to you, if you can. You desperation is shows very clearly and desperate people do desperate things. I believe you have invented that phrase to justify your support for violating others Democratic and Human Rights.


Looks like "son of a Hitler" VP is giving me the "silent treatment" because he is not able to answer my posts or back his allagations. There you have it Ladies and Gentleman, a man who can't back his claims. All he has is a BIG mouth and no substance.

So VP,..................... SHOW IT or SHUT IT.
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Postby halil » Mon May 12, 2008 2:02 pm

Kikapu wrote:
halil wrote:
Kikapu wrote::idea:


did you wear your war boots ?


Did you have something to say Halil, because I have failed to read anything between the "lines" in your message, because there was only ONE LINE. :lol:


işine gelmedi =it didn't suit u ............ :o :?


ONLY GREEK CYPRIOTS VOTE
GR or Miltiades
GR says RoC can defend itself against Turkey.
Who are, Pro rata, the best Armed Forces in the world
etc......etc ...................

poor TC's ..................... :idea:
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Postby Kikapu » Mon May 12, 2008 2:18 pm

halil wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
halil wrote:
Kikapu wrote::idea:


did you wear your war boots ?


Did you have something to say Halil, because I have failed to read anything between the "lines" in your message, because there was only ONE LINE. :lol:


işine gelmedi =it didn't suit u ............ :o :?


ONLY GREEK CYPRIOTS VOTE
GR or Miltiades
GR says RoC can defend itself against Turkey.
Who are, Pro rata, the best Armed Forces in the world
etc......etc ...................

poor TC's ..................... :idea:


:? :? :? :? :? :?

Halil, I was lost only a little bit with your first post, but now, I don't know where the hell I am. :lol: :lol:

Please Halil, tell me straight what it is that you are trying to say.
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