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[bilako22]

...i will make a comment too...

i think that kikapu speaks well and to the point. your replies VP only reinforce the dogmatism i try to point out to you. frankly, without him and others on this forum who have a higher purpose to serve, it would not be a useful place to provide for us the dialog we need to learn from each other. Although, i must add that without you, the dialog would be incomplete.

...i will open another thread...

Kikapu can speak all he likes , the point is that his views represent a tiny minority of TCs . If you want to learn and understand the feelings of most TCs concentrate on the views of VP.

[humanist]

How do you expalin the 2004 referendum bilako if the views of VP are the common place amongst the TC community?

[Get Real!]

...the point is that his views represent a tiny minority of TCs . If you want to learn and understand the feelings of most TCs concentrate on the views of VP.

It took you 150 posts to write something that makes sense...

[Viewpoint]

Once upon a time people who looked different and thought differently to the majority were called "Witches" and burnt at stake....These days they are called "Traitors" and are threatened with terrible consequences if they didn't fall into line...

VP,I believe you owe Kikapu an apology...He is entitled to see the conflict the way he sees it. And more than entitled to speak his mind...Personally,I have some respect for your dedication to the TC cause, as you see it...You argue with passion and conviction,and notwithstanding the fact that I think your convictions are wrong and selectively moralistic,you are entitled to them...Please show the same respect for Kikapu's beliefs and convictions,and refrain from trying to intimidate him...This is the essence of Democracy which we all say we love and cherish.The fact that you cannot tolerate any dissent does indicate that deep down you might not be as sure about your stand as you seem to be...Nothing is black and white in this human tragedy in which we are all bit players...When we all see the different shades of colours,and realise no one has the monopoly on Truth and Justice,we will come closer to solving our problems...

Bir this forum confirms my conviction that agreed partition is the best solution for all, Kikapu is just one contributor to supporting my ideology, people like him do not realize they do more damage than good towards uniting this island and will the reason why the status quo will continue. For me you can argue in favor of the GC stance all you want but unlike you he attacks his own people and runs them into the ground at every opportunity then he has the nerve to say he doesn't, for me he is a traitor to the people he claims to have come from because he has not one good thing to say about TCs.

[BirKibrisli]

Once upon a time people who looked different and thought differently to the majority were called "Witches" and burnt at stake....These days they are called "Traitors" and are threatened with terrible consequences if they didn't fall into line...

VP,I believe you owe Kikapu an apology...He is entitled to see the conflict the way he sees it. And more than entitled to speak his mind...Personally,I have some respect for your dedication to the TC cause, as you see it...You argue with passion and conviction,and notwithstanding the fact that I think your convictions are wrong and selectively moralistic,you are entitled to them...Please show the same respect for Kikapu's beliefs and convictions,and refrain from trying to intimidate him...This is the essence of Democracy which we all say we love and cherish.The fact that you cannot tolerate any dissent does indicate that deep down you might not be as sure about your stand as you seem to be...Nothing is black and white in this human tragedy in which we are all bit players...When we all see the different shades of colours,and realise no one has the monopoly on Truth and Justice,we will come closer to solving our problems...

Bir this forum confirms my conviction that agreed partition is the best solution for all, Kikapu is just one contributor to supporting my ideology, people like him do not realize they do more damage than good towards uniting this island and will the reason why the status quo will continue. For me you can argue in favor of the GC stance all you want but unlike you he attacks his own people and runs them into the ground at every opportunity then he has the nerve to say he doesn't, for me he is a traitor to the people he claims to have come from because he has not one good thing to say about TCs.

VP...Kikapu is more than capable of defending himself,but let me say this on his behalf : Because he doesn't say one good thing about the TCs(your assertion not mine) does not necessarily mean he doesn't have anything good to say...There are enough people on this forum who say only Good Things about the TCs (and the same goes for the GCS)...Perhaps Kikapu is trying to concentrate on the points most TCs are reluctant to make,for their own reasons.This does not make him a "traitor"...It makes him a person of independent thought who is not afraid of speaking his mind whatever the cost...If we had 1000 Kikapus in Cyprus and his equivalent in the RoC,our beloved homeland would be blessed with Truth,Justice,and Reconciliation...You are being most unfair...

[Kikapu]

VP,

My complaints are against Morally Corrupted and TMT Terrorist Mentality individuals such as yourself who does not support any peace in Cyprus. What you support is division and partition even under the disguised "peace plan" such as Annan Plan. The day there is true peace in Cyprus, is the day I'm certain you will leave the island, because you will not be able to bear the country uniting between the GC's and the TC's as a Independent country. TC's deserve being part of the West and living within the International Laws and not the situation they have been forced to live under now. The freedom to the TC's will come when people like you will stop coercing them in creating a "corrupt society" and instead form a "honest society" and are full equal members of the EU and the Cypriot society and identity.

[Viewpoint]

Once upon a time people who looked different and thought differently to the majority were called "Witches" and burnt at stake....These days they are called "Traitors" and are threatened with terrible consequences if they didn't fall into line...

VP,I believe you owe Kikapu an apology...He is entitled to see the conflict the way he sees it. And more than entitled to speak his mind...Personally,I have some respect for your dedication to the TC cause, as you see it...You argue with passion and conviction,and notwithstanding the fact that I think your convictions are wrong and selectively moralistic,you are entitled to them...Please show the same respect for Kikapu's beliefs and convictions,and refrain from trying to intimidate him...This is the essence of Democracy which we all say we love and cherish.The fact that you cannot tolerate any dissent does indicate that deep down you might not be as sure about your stand as you seem to be...Nothing is black and white in this human tragedy in which we are all bit players...When we all see the different shades of colours,and realise no one has the monopoly on Truth and Justice,we will come closer to solving our problems...

Bir this forum confirms my conviction that agreed partition is the best solution for all, Kikapu is just one contributor to supporting my ideology, people like him do not realize they do more damage than good towards uniting this island and will the reason why the status quo will continue. For me you can argue in favor of the GC stance all you want but unlike you he attacks his own people and runs them into the ground at every opportunity then he has the nerve to say he doesn't, for me he is a traitor to the people he claims to have come from because he has not one good thing to say about TCs.

VP...Kikapu is more than capable of defending himself,but let me say this on his behalf : Because he doesn't say one good thing about the TCs(your assertion not mine) does not necessarily mean he doesn't have anything good to say...There are enough people on this forum who say only Good Things about the TCs (and the same goes for the GCS)...Perhaps Kikapu is trying to concentrate on the points most TCs are reluctant to make,for their own reasons.This does not make him a "traitor"...It makes him a person of independent thought who is not afraid of speaking his mind whatever the cost...If we had 1000 Kikapus in Cyprus and his equivalent in the RoC,our beloved homeland would be blessed with Truth,Justice,and Reconciliation...You are being most unfair...

Just like you have the right to defend Kikapu I have the right to see it from this side of the fence and evaluate his despot and anti TC views has being a traitor, thats my right, according to my criteria he has nothing in common with us and has no problems selling us at every opportunity to the GCs. You to support views that oppose mine but do I state you are a traitor no becuase you express views trypical of a TC who has the best intentions a bit naive but still able to argue both sides of the coin, theres a big difference, you can deny this all you want but everyone on this forum can see it.

[Viewpoint]

VP,

My complaints are against Morally Corrupted and TMT Terrorist Mentality individuals such as yourself who does not support any peace in Cyprus. What you support is division and partition even under the disguised "peace plan" such as Annan Plan. The day there is true peace in Cyprus, is the day I'm certain you will leave the island, because you will not be able to bear the country uniting between the GC's and the TC's as a Independent country. TC's deserve being part of the West and living within the International Laws and not the situation they have been forced to live under now. The freedom to the TC's will come when people like you will stop coercing them in creating a "corrupt society" and instead form a "honest society" and are full equal members of the EU and the Cypriot society and identity.

Equality of the 2 communities will only come when outsiders such as yourself but out and leave us alone and stop telling us what to do. If the alternative is becoming a minority in a GC state then we do not want any part of it we have red lines and any new plan will have to take those into account.

[bilako22]

...the point is that his views represent a tiny minority of TCs . If you want to learn and understand the feelings of most TCs concentrate on the views of VP.

It took you 150 posts to write something that makes sense...

Be fair , mate . I am a |Turk , and iit s well known that we are a bit slow.

[bilako22]

How do you expalin the 2004 referendum bilako if the views of VP are the common place amongst the TC community?

Where is the contradiction?