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Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 09, 2008 4:22 pm

Get Real!
You need to come to terms with the fact that not every Turkish Cypriot approves of the direction that the TC community has taken. Even if Kikapu was the only TC with this view it still wouldn’t necessarily make him wrong and the rest of the TCs right.


I have come to terms with all sorts of TCs views but the underlying factor is genuine TCs can argue certain issues for their own side, there is a fine line between someone who has liberal views and sees the wrongs and rights of both sides and a traitor who not only points out the wrongs of his own side but uses verbal articulation to try and ridicule and belittle at every opportunity the people he claims to come from. He has not put forward 1 pro TCs arguement against GCs and continue to lick arse at every opportunity for me persoanlly he is one of you and not one of us, he will have to face his own devils if every a solution is found and he is a person who will not be welcomed with open arms as he is seen a traitor and not some who tried to make us see our wrongs but someone who wants the GCs to turn this island into a Greek island with TCs as just another minority with no community rights but a minority that has to accept everything the GC majority want to impose on us whether its right or wrong.

The only reason people like you think the “TRNC” is a good thing is because Turkey has allowed the TC community to taste “independence”, albeit in a violent and illegal way, and has also promised to protect the TC community from ever having to face justice. Human nature is such that the great majority of people will commit and/or be an accessory to a crime, if it benefits them and they feel they can get away with it.


Ask yourself this question if you are a TC was 1960-1974 better than 1974 to today better for us? Like it or not you GCs are seen for our suffering of only 45 years ago and this will not be forgotten easily, the violence and illegality you try to promote was caused just as much by you as it was by me, my excuse is survival whats yours?

Of course, in order to eliminate any sense of guilt, the TC community had to find very serious reasons for being an accessory to such a serious international crime. This was achieved by heightening the amplitude of the inter-communal clashes and redefining the actual events so that “200 dead” now became a “genocide”, and “3-4 killed with a knife” now became a “mass slaughter” etc. The TC education system then set about “re-educating” or if you like conditioning the TC community so that the only version of events that got passed on to the next generations was that which justified their illegal behavior and removed any sense of guilt. You seemingly accept this conditioning but Kikapu doesn’t.



I was raised and educated in the UK and no amount of "brainwashing" which goes on on both sides would not remove the fact that there is no solution and that both communities do not want to share a common future, the chasm is to wide and the past attempts at finding a solution is confirmation that I am right and prefer to support agreed partition.

You VP, just happen to be one of the opportunistic majority, that is… those people who WILL commit the crime if you can get away with it, whereas Kikapu has a very rare consciousness that keeps him from participating despite the “rewards”.



You have a denial syndome whereby you were robbed while in the act of carrying out robbery yourself, you got beat at your own game crying about it and blaming everyone else but yourself will not help you see your own wrongs and why as long as you continue to think the way you do Cyprus will remain divided. I have stated my thoughts on Kikapu he is one of you and you are welcomed to him, traitors are always a danger to their own people and better off out of our mists. If living in our own country protected, not under GC domination or discrimination are rewards then I feel we have just as much right to these as anyone else.

We’re basically looking at two different human beings, having been raised in two different ways, and in two different places, and thus reacting to the same “opportunity” in opposing directions.


You know nothing about me and how I was educated so now you know a bit more your assumptions have bene proven wrong. I did not live through the 1960s so you cannot claim that I am biased but I can see what GCs are trying to do to my people and we will never capitulate to turning the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs where we are just a minority. We will argue for safeguards that will protect our rights and not allow the GCs to reach their hellenistic goals.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 09, 2008 4:28 pm

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GCs we can reconcile and understand but our own (claimed) selling us out is a totally different matter. What would you do with GC traitors?


It all depends on what they've done and where their values are to be labeled a traitor. I wouldn't do anything to them if they were traitors, unless they did something to me personally.


They have sold out your side and try to run them into the ground at every opportunity supporting all the arguements of the other side without even once sticking up or support not one arguement put forward by the people he claims to be his own community. He ridicules and demonizies every arguement we put forward and plays judge and jury on every issue. His ideas and opinions are gospel and he tried to push this down everyone throat by using a high standard of ENglish to cover up the real fact that he is either a GC or a traitor of his own people and has not only been found out but still carries the scars today.
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Postby growuptcs » Fri May 09, 2008 5:25 pm

VP, I understand that Kikapu's words are venom for your eyes, but thats all they are, just words. You don't even know what Kikapu looks like, you only know of him through this forum. If you judge people who sit down in their bedrooms typing there opinions about Cyprus, makes me realize how nuts you really are.
I'll be honest with you VP, when I read the frustration that you write back to Kikapu's posts, I appreciate what hes doing to you psychologically. Hes screwing you up more in the head than you already are. Put your scorecard away and let it go.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri May 09, 2008 5:34 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:If my country of Cyprus wanted me to serve my MS, then I would. They did not because I'm a TC, and as per the 1960 Constitution, I can only serve with the TC community in the country of Cyprus. The TC community is in the "TRNC", although technically speaking, it is still Cyprus. I am not kept away because I have not served, and as recently as last week, it has been made even easier for those of us who did not want to do the MS, to return for a visit, but will cost £3,000 if one wants to reside over 90 days. Isn't that nice, and you wonder why I get upset with the "TRNC".

The "TRNC" is not my country, therefore I had no obligation to serve all the years that I could have, just like others. If and when the two communities get their stuff together and form a single country again, then I will do my duty if I'm called upon. I'm sorry you had to spend 2 years of your precious time "playing soldiers" and getting a doze of brainwashing treatment at the "Bathtub Murders House", but I did not want to take that route, and it had nothing to do with having a superiority complex, but rather having principles and the good sense to stay away from it. In any case, with 40,000 Turkish troops there, what do they needed me for or you for that matter. It was the case of making people pay £3,000 to get out of doing their service, and not that they actually needed anyone to serve.

As I said, if my country of Cyprus calls for me to do my MS in the future as a united Cyprus, I will do so. It may however be in the "Dad's Army Unit". :lol:

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He is not of the TC community we have disowned him, he is a fully paid up arse licking GC cheer leader. He believes everything he says is the gods truth and he knows all. The only thing he appears to have overlooked is that if a solution is every found he will have to answer to the TCs for all the crap he has thrown there way.


VP,

Well, well, well. It has taken you 2 years and finally could not hold it any longer but to call me a traitor. I knew sooner or later you would reveal your true colours and that your TMT Fascistic mentality will come out. Yes, in the old days you personally would have done away with anyone who did not tow your fascistic rope. I also knew that you do not believe in Democracy and free speech, because you are one of the loyal followers of Denktash, and just like him, you do not want peace either. I had always believed that you were nothing but a morally corrupted bottom feeder who enjoys gaining on the loss of others without remorse.

We all know why you came to Cyprus in 1992 when everyone was looking for a ways to get out to feed their families, and yet you brought your young family to a place of destitute from the comforts of your home in the UK. You saw the opportunity to capitalize on the GC property and land and took it, and now with every post you make, you try to protect your illegal gains with hateful and anti peace posts. It was not very difficult to pick you out from the crowd, along with your other NeoPartitionist friends. If anyone stands to gain with your poisonous messages, it is the likes of you with your constant propaganda. I only speak for the good of all Cypriots, unlike you, who only speak for the morally corrupt.

First of all, you are just one of the corrupt elites and does not speak for the Turkish Cypriot Community that I belong to, therefore you are in no position to disown anyone, other than your fellow NeoPartitionist. I do not belong to your morally corrupted group, so FUCK OFF. Your friends are the NeoPartitionist who will do everything in their power to derail any peace deal between the GC's and the TC's. I'm for all the Cypriots who wants to build a better future for Cyprus and all Cypriots. Show me where my traitorous messages are in that. The only traitors are those who are against peace in Cyprus and it doesn't matter if they are from the north or the south, because there are many from both sides. Why don't you point out what are the untruths in my above post. You have yet to point out anything that I write to be untrue. Therefore, it is obvious that it is the truth that bothers you. To you, this is a traitorous act. I can see that from your point of view, for someone who likes to live under a dictatorship rule much like
"Animal Farm".

To add insult to injury with your accusations, this is coming from a man who is not even a Cyprus born Cypriot, but rather a person born to Cypriot parents in a foreign land, in the UK, and that's where your first 30 years spent growing up. For everyone, the memory of their childhood times is what gives them their identity and connection to the land and people from that land that they are born in. To me, it is Cyprus and to you, it is the UK. This is not a put down but hard truth and fact. My love for Cyprus, it's people and the land can never be replaced with people like yourself who came to the island way into their adult life. This is the reason why the "TRNC" is not my "country" and means very little to me other than where the TC community lives for now and where 200,000 GC use to live. This act if injustice needs to be corrected if ever there is going to be any harmony in Cyprus.

This of course is not the aim of the NeoPartitionist, therefore you can make all the threats you want, and if there is anything I need to answer for, it sure won't be to morally corrupted individuals like yourself, but to the True Turkish Cypriots that I speak for on their behalf. They can judge me if they like. Then again, I always knew your ill intentions for me, hence the fact I did not want to meet with you in the "TRNC" last year and insisted on meeting you in the RoC, which you quickly cancelled any meetings between us. You had sent up "red flags" for me to see many times in the past and that you could not be trusted. I have good insights on my "enemies" and I had read you very clearly. You have now truly become the agent of the TMT terrorist group in the year 2008. I congratulate you in your achievement and rest assured, you will be treated accordingly from now on.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 09, 2008 10:24 pm

growuptcs wrote:VP, I understand that Kikapu's words are venom for your eyes, but thats all they are, just words. You don't even know what Kikapu looks like, you only know of him through this forum. If you judge people who sit down in their bedrooms typing there opinions about Cyprus, makes me realize how nuts you really are.
I'll be honest with you VP, when I read the frustration that you write back to Kikapu's posts, I appreciate what hes doing to you psychologically. Hes screwing you up more in the head than you already are. Put your scorecard away and let it go.


You are over valuing his posts and the effect they have on me or others, his opinions no longer have any effect as I do not take them seriously someone who has nothing positive to say about his claimed people cannot be taken seriously and at best I amuse myself with his hate and venom for anything and anyone Turkish.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 09, 2008 10:34 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:If my country of Cyprus wanted me to serve my MS, then I would. They did not because I'm a TC, and as per the 1960 Constitution, I can only serve with the TC community in the country of Cyprus. The TC community is in the "TRNC", although technically speaking, it is still Cyprus. I am not kept away because I have not served, and as recently as last week, it has been made even easier for those of us who did not want to do the MS, to return for a visit, but will cost £3,000 if one wants to reside over 90 days. Isn't that nice, and you wonder why I get upset with the "TRNC".

The "TRNC" is not my country, therefore I had no obligation to serve all the years that I could have, just like others. If and when the two communities get their stuff together and form a single country again, then I will do my duty if I'm called upon. I'm sorry you had to spend 2 years of your precious time "playing soldiers" and getting a doze of brainwashing treatment at the "Bathtub Murders House", but I did not want to take that route, and it had nothing to do with having a superiority complex, but rather having principles and the good sense to stay away from it. In any case, with 40,000 Turkish troops there, what do they needed me for or you for that matter. It was the case of making people pay £3,000 to get out of doing their service, and not that they actually needed anyone to serve.

As I said, if my country of Cyprus calls for me to do my MS in the future as a united Cyprus, I will do so. It may however be in the "Dad's Army Unit". :lol:

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He is not of the TC community we have disowned him, he is a fully paid up arse licking GC cheer leader. He believes everything he says is the gods truth and he knows all. The only thing he appears to have overlooked is that if a solution is every found he will have to answer to the TCs for all the crap he has thrown there way.


VP,

Well, well, well. It has taken you 2 years and finally could not hold it any longer but to call me a traitor. I knew sooner or later you would reveal your true colours and that your TMT Fascistic mentality will come out. Yes, in the old days you personally would have done away with anyone who did not tow your fascistic rope. I also knew that you do not believe in Democracy and free speech, because you are one of the loyal followers of Denktash, and just like him, you do not want peace either. I had always believed that you were nothing but a morally corrupted bottom feeder who enjoys gaining on the loss of others without remorse.

We all know why you came to Cyprus in 1992 when everyone was looking for a ways to get out to feed their families, and yet you brought your young family to a place of destitute from the comforts of your home in the UK. You saw the opportunity to capitalize on the GC property and land and took it, and now with every post you make, you try to protect your illegal gains with hateful and anti peace posts. It was not very difficult to pick you out from the crowd, along with your other NeoPartitionist friends. If anyone stands to gain with your poisonous messages, it is the likes of you with your constant propaganda. I only speak for the good of all Cypriots, unlike you, who only speak for the morally corrupt.

First of all, you are just one of the corrupt elites and does not speak for the Turkish Cypriot Community that I belong to, therefore you are in no position to disown anyone, other than your fellow NeoPartitionist. I do not belong to your morally corrupted group, so FUCK OFF. Your friends are the NeoPartitionist who will do everything in their power to derail any peace deal between the GC's and the TC's. I'm for all the Cypriots who wants to build a better future for Cyprus and all Cypriots. Show me where my traitorous messages are in that. The only traitors are those who are against peace in Cyprus and it doesn't matter if they are from the north or the south, because there are many from both sides. Why don't you point out what are the untruths in my above post. You have yet to point out anything that I write to be untrue. Therefore, it is obvious that it is the truth that bothers you. To you, this is a traitorous act. I can see that from your point of view, for someone who likes to live under a dictatorship rule much like
"Animal Farm".

To add insult to injury with your accusations, this is coming from a man who is not even a Cyprus born Cypriot, but rather a person born to Cypriot parents in a foreign land, in the UK, and that's where your first 30 years spent growing up. For everyone, the memory of their childhood times is what gives them their identity and connection to the land and people from that land that they are born in. To me, it is Cyprus and to you, it is the UK. This is not a put down but hard truth and fact. My love for Cyprus, it's people and the land can never be replaced with people like yourself who came to the island way into their adult life. This is the reason why the "TRNC" is not my "country" and means very little to me other than where the TC community lives for now and where 200,000 GC use to live. This act if injustice needs to be corrected if ever there is going to be any harmony in Cyprus.

This of course is not the aim of the NeoPartitionist, therefore you can make all the threats you want, and if there is anything I need to answer for, it sure won't be to morally corrupted individuals like yourself, but to the True Turkish Cypriots that I speak for on their behalf. They can judge me if they like. Then again, I always knew your ill intentions for me, hence the fact I did not want to meet with you in the "TRNC" last year and insisted on meeting you in the RoC, which you quickly cancelled any meetings between us. You had sent up "red flags" for me to see many times in the past and that you could not be trusted. I have good insights on my "enemies" and I had read you very clearly. You have now truly become the agent of the TMT terrorist group in the year 2008. I congratulate you in your achievement and rest assured, you will be treated accordingly from now on.


What a load of bullshit, you fuck off you bloody foreigner, lets hope youll rot abroad and stop interfering with those people who live here on the island.
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Postby bilako22 » Fri May 09, 2008 11:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:If my country of Cyprus wanted me to serve my MS, then I would. They did not because I'm a TC, and as per the 1960 Constitution, I can only serve with the TC community in the country of Cyprus. The TC community is in the "TRNC", although technically speaking, it is still Cyprus. I am not kept away because I have not served, and as recently as last week, it has been made even easier for those of us who did not want to do the MS, to return for a visit, but will cost £3,000 if one wants to reside over 90 days. Isn't that nice, and you wonder why I get upset with the "TRNC".

The "TRNC" is not my country, therefore I had no obligation to serve all the years that I could have, just like others. If and when the two communities get their stuff together and form a single country again, then I will do my duty if I'm called upon. I'm sorry you had to spend 2 years of your precious time "playing soldiers" and getting a doze of brainwashing treatment at the "Bathtub Murders House", but I did not want to take that route, and it had nothing to do with having a superiority complex, but rather having principles and the good sense to stay away from it. In any case, with 40,000 Turkish troops there, what do they needed me for or you for that matter. It was the case of making people pay £3,000 to get out of doing their service, and not that they actually needed anyone to serve.

As I said, if my country of Cyprus calls for me to do my MS in the future as a united Cyprus, I will do so. It may however be in the "Dad's Army Unit". :lol:

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He is not of the TC community we have disowned him, he is a fully paid up arse licking GC cheer leader. He believes everything he says is the gods truth and he knows all. The only thing he appears to have overlooked is that if a solution is every found he will have to answer to the TCs for all the crap he has thrown there way.


VP,

Well, well, well. It has taken you 2 years and finally could not hold it any longer but to call me a traitor. I knew sooner or later you would reveal your true colours and that your TMT Fascistic mentality will come out. Yes, in the old days you personally would have done away with anyone who did not tow your fascistic rope. I also knew that you do not believe in Democracy and free speech, because you are one of the loyal followers of Denktash, and just like him, you do not want peace either. I had always believed that you were nothing but a morally corrupted bottom feeder who enjoys gaining on the loss of others without remorse.

We all know why you came to Cyprus in 1992 when everyone was looking for a ways to get out to feed their families, and yet you brought your young family to a place of destitute from the comforts of your home in the UK. You saw the opportunity to capitalize on the GC property and land and took it, and now with every post you make, you try to protect your illegal gains with hateful and anti peace posts. It was not very difficult to pick you out from the crowd, along with your other NeoPartitionist friends. If anyone stands to gain with your poisonous messages, it is the likes of you with your constant propaganda. I only speak for the good of all Cypriots, unlike you, who only speak for the morally corrupt.

First of all, you are just one of the corrupt elites and does not speak for the Turkish Cypriot Community that I belong to, therefore you are in no position to disown anyone, other than your fellow NeoPartitionist. I do not belong to your morally corrupted group, so FUCK OFF. Your friends are the NeoPartitionist who will do everything in their power to derail any peace deal between the GC's and the TC's. I'm for all the Cypriots who wants to build a better future for Cyprus and all Cypriots. Show me where my traitorous messages are in that. The only traitors are those who are against peace in Cyprus and it doesn't matter if they are from the north or the south, because there are many from both sides. Why don't you point out what are the untruths in my above post. You have yet to point out anything that I write to be untrue. Therefore, it is obvious that it is the truth that bothers you. To you, this is a traitorous act. I can see that from your point of view, for someone who likes to live under a dictatorship rule much like
"Animal Farm".

To add insult to injury with your accusations, this is coming from a man who is not even a Cyprus born Cypriot, but rather a person born to Cypriot parents in a foreign land, in the UK, and that's where your first 30 years spent growing up. For everyone, the memory of their childhood times is what gives them their identity and connection to the land and people from that land that they are born in. To me, it is Cyprus and to you, it is the UK. This is not a put down but hard truth and fact. My love for Cyprus, it's people and the land can never be replaced with people like yourself who came to the island way into their adult life. This is the reason why the "TRNC" is not my "country" and means very little to me other than where the TC community lives for now and where 200,000 GC use to live. This act if injustice needs to be corrected if ever there is going to be any harmony in Cyprus.

This of course is not the aim of the NeoPartitionist, therefore you can make all the threats you want, and if there is anything I need to answer for, it sure won't be to morally corrupted individuals like yourself, but to the True Turkish Cypriots that I speak for on their behalf. They can judge me if they like. Then again, I always knew your ill intentions for me, hence the fact I did not want to meet with you in the "TRNC" last year and insisted on meeting you in the RoC, which you quickly cancelled any meetings between us. You had sent up "red flags" for me to see many times in the past and that you could not be trusted. I have good insights on my "enemies" and I had read you very clearly. You have now truly become the agent of the TMT terrorist group in the year 2008. I congratulate you in your achievement and rest assured, you will be treated accordingly from now on.



This absolute rubbish . Your attempts at putting VP down are dishonest and unfair. I was born in the Dillirga ( pardon the spelling) part of Cyprus
and my mother tongue was the one used by my grandparents , which was
Greek . We spoke in Greek at home and used Greek nicknames. Some of us also married amongst the local Greek population. Our situation enabled us to understand the mentality of both communities , which as follows;

TCs . If you are GC do not trust a TC in what he says to you about unification and the settlers . About 99% of TCs are very happy about the separation in 1974 and the TRNC. What they say to their very good Greek friends is completely different to what they say to their family and other TCs.

GCs.Virtually every GC that I have had the pleasure to come across is dishonest about their offer of friendship and fair and just society in a unified Cyprus . Their claims of leaving Enosis with Greece in the past is pure lies . They want Cyprus to be a Greek island and they hate all Turks. .
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Postby humanist » Fri May 09, 2008 11:55 pm

I agree with piratis' coments on the first page. Dp TC's want a united Cyprus and if so they have to work toward that.

Secondly there has been lots of discussion recently about a "virgin birth" to thi point I agree totally that there needs to be a virgin birth for the nation we are proposing to build as a united country between all its people not just the two major ethnic groups abut all of the othe minority groups. So its not called the republic of Cyprus and its called the United States of Cyprus. If that will make the shift easier and our TC compatriots to feel one with their country I believe it would be a step forward if the GC side accepts that option, with no Turkish or Greek involvement and political influence as we have known it thus far.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat May 10, 2008 3:14 am

Once upon a time people who looked different and thought differently to the majority were called "Witches" and burnt at stake....These days they are called "Traitors" and are threatened with terrible consequences if they didn't fall into line...

VP,I believe you owe Kikapu an apology...He is entitled to see the conflict the way he sees it. And more than entitled to speak his mind...Personally,I have some respect for your dedication to the TC cause, as you see it...You argue with passion and conviction,and notwithstanding the fact that I think your convictions are wrong and selectively moralistic,you are entitled to them...Please show the same respect for Kikapu's beliefs and convictions,and refrain from trying to intimidate him...This is the essence of Democracy which we all say we love and cherish.The fact that you cannot tolerate any dissent does indicate that deep down you might not be as sure about your stand as you seem to be...Nothing is black and white in this human tragedy in which we are all bit players...When we all see the different shades of colours,and realise no one has the monopoly on Truth and Justice,we will come closer to solving our problems... :(
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat May 10, 2008 4:41 am

...i will make a comment too...

i think that kikapu speaks well and to the point. your replies VP only reinforce the dogmatism i try to point out to you. frankly, without him and others on this forum who have a higher purpose to serve, it would not be a useful place to provide for us the dialog we need to learn from each other. Although, i must add that without you, the dialog would be incomplete.

...i will open another thread...
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