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[Sickbitch]

I have read all posts here with great interest. It seems Cyprus is one corrupt country, best to avoid if you don't want to be ripped off?

[di-di]

Hey SB, welcome on board!!!!!!!!!

Part of the fun out here is to beat the corruption etc etc, they are so stupid [the corrupt ones], they really think they can keep beating the system. It really can be fun especially when you are on the legal side.

They must realise it is cases like Conor's and ours that will change this antiquated system. They MUST and WILL be brought into line with european laws. This fight will be ongoing so watch this space.

They wanted to enter europe so they must abide by the laws. Although having said all that [phew], just look at what has happened to ex-pats in Spain. There but for the grace.................................springs to mind eh??


di-di

[Eliko]

di-di, whereas some may sympathize and others empathize (I being of the former category) with Conor's plight, there are some areas in the dispute which give rise to the question of just where the unpleasantness began.

Obviously the developer's initial intention would be to offer a satisfactory service and a reasonable standard of workmanship to the customer, since that would be the fundamental intention of any business hoping for success which, (in the case of this particular developer) is abundantly clear due to the fact that it is a successful business.

At whatever stage of the development Conor became either anxious or dissatisfied, I personally wonder if he (at that stage) offered insult to the developer, his family and staff members ?, for it does seem rather extraordinary that the developer should suddenly adopt the aggressive attitude Conor describes.

Cypriot people (business or otherwise) take a very dim view of insult and abusive language, if Conor DID resort to such in the early stages of discontent, much can be understood by the retaliatory actions of those offended.

In Conor's Blog ( No 6 part 3 ) on 'You Tube', he invites a professional Lawyer to write a message for the perusal of his Father, the message reads :- "Tell your Father he is a Fucking Cunt !".

I think THAT particular item could seriously damage whatever credibility Conor may have had and I will explain why.

If Conor DID use foul language and insult initially, the developer will of course refer to it in any court action that may be forthcoming as a result of the dispute.

Conor may well deny resorting to the use of such insult and personal abuse and produce that which he may consider to be his 'Trump Card', the fact that he broadcast such a shocking attack on the Lawyer's Father, implying that IF he was prepared to do that quite openly, he would surely have done so earlier as he contends that he is open and honest in all areas of all disputes.

However, the 'Fly in the Ointment' is that he delivered this verbal attack quite calmly, a good Lawyer might well ask what kind of abuse he would be capable of delivering, were he in a fury ?.

I do hope Conor is not relying on the support of those who are also prepared to join in the condemnation of the entire Cypriot Legal and Professional Administrations here, I fear his campaign may well seriously backfire should he do so.

As the developer did inform Conor at one stage, "This is Cyprus", I think he may have been referring to the fact that the people here have a little more respect for themselves and their families than is currently visible in the U.K.

I do hope Conor receives a just settlement, I stll believe that the correct route for him to take is one of less vehemence and more readiness to accept that HE TOO may have made mistakes somewhere along the way.

Best Wishes to Conor and his Family, sometimes a little criticism is superior to blind agreement.

In my humble opinion.

[JoJo]

If I were Conor, I would have taken my money and run when the developer offered him a refund.

[Conor]

If I were Conor, I would have taken my money and run when the developer offered him a refund.

JoJo
When did he offer a refund?
Please direct that question to the source of that statement Marios Karayiannas. (it's a lie)

Eliko,
Thanks for your comments
However its fine.We are in great shape with all the facts and evidence..As for Marios Karayiannas' statement the clue is in the title of my website.

Their was no foul language used from me for over 2 years. I wont even list the suffering for my family during the two years. That call from their lawyer who unlawfully sold my house came out of the blue and was full of lies. I couldn't take any more by then. Its unethical for the opposing lawyer to phone me and the court will see that. I won't be intimidated. Give some thought as to why these British educated lawyers aren't taking me on in the UK.

Let me just point you to 3 things to show you the early days.
On the trip when I'm hit with the problems to my house and the changes to the development I end with this meeting.
http://www.lyingbuilder.com/trans2.html
Could not be more polite and am told to go away and discuss with my wife their changes and a solution.

Back in England (next working day) they have our very important letter
http://www.lyingbuilder.com/lies/files/13thfeb2006zip.zip

They don't respond as promised. I get them on the phone 9 days later.
http://www.lyingbuilder.com/trans3.html

Eliko - I'm whiter than white and have all the evidence including my phone bills. Their story dosn't fit in any time line to correspondence or evidence. They say during this period they are chasing me for money. Its madness, ridiculous, laughable. The only thing they have going for them is the inept legal system but I welcome Cyprus to the EU.

Once I knew they were Lying Builders I recorded everything. There is only one way to deal with liars and that is to play back to them their lies.

What is it with the lying? Is it epidemic? I've done business all round the world I've never known anything like it.

Cheers for your best wishes.
Conor

[JoJo]

Hi Conor, I am 100% sure in one of your audios the developer offered you a refund. You did not accept and said that you would keep the house but you were not happy with the situation.

[Conor]

Hi Conor, I am 100% sure in one of your audios the developer offered you a refund. You did not accept and said that you would keep the house but you were not happy with the situation.

Ahh JoJo.
I see what you are saying.
easy to clear up.

In one meeting they offer a refund. (10th Feb 2006) Unfortunately with Karayiannas what they say and what they do are different. Once I was hundreds of miles away they retracted. They sent an email stating they are not in breach of any terms and advise that I keep up my obligations.

I fly back and it's then in the last conversation where I say we have to keep the house but are not happy.

2 days later first assault comes. All captured on camera and still no justice served. Thats what Marios Karayiannas meant when he said "you are in Cyprus"

Thanks for your interest.
Conor

[sylvia]

Hi connor. I have just got back from cyprus and have just read your posting.

I have had a house with no deeds since 1991. 2 lawyers later and vasts amount of money paid to them and we have been told (I beleive another lie). that the deeds are now in awaiting approval and architects and builders fees to the gov.

I know people on my estate english and cypriot who have died in theprocess of waiting for their deeds. !!!!!! Also we are not allowed to extend or generally improve the property. Otherwise the land registry will make you take it down or fine you.

What can we do????

I do feel sorry for you Connor, you did not deserve that and in a country of hospitality it is a disgrace.

[Gasman]

My hasn't this thread grown? I shouldn't worry too much about Lady Oracle.
This hit the nail on the head:

Up till your last post you had been putting your defaming comments in a question form

Have said almost the same thing myself. Doesn't take long to catch on to her posting 'style'.

That's what she does to cover herself - always frames her disgusting lies and insults as a question. And, for good measure, usually adds a smiley at the end.

Boringly predictable really.

[CBBB]

My hasn't this thread grown? I shouldn't worry too much about Lady Oracle.
This hit the nail on the head:

Up till your last post you had been putting your defaming comments in a question form

Have said almost the same thing myself. Doesn't take long to catch on to her posting 'style'.

That's what she does to cover herself - always frames her disgusting lies and insults as a question. And, for good measure, usually adds a smiley at the end.

Boringly predictable really.

What do you mean, it's been dormant for more than 2 years?