DT.
Money back in full was NEVER on the table..busy at moment I will point you later to a letter I sent to Fotos Pittadjis showing the history of negotiations. It may have been pushed off the website to make space for announcements.
cheers
Conor
Property Protest London during President Christofias’ visit
by JimB » Fri May 16, 2008 4:44 pm
Conor best of luck for the 18th - I hope you and anybody else who's embroiled in a similar case gets a chance to have their 'day in court'.
I haven't read through all the details surrounding this dispute. I don't really have the time and there's always two or more sides to an argument.
I have read most of the posts on this topic though and I find some of the posts disturbing.
The legal process involves establishing what the 'facts' of a case are and then testing these facts against the established laws of the jurisdiction in which it operates or has responsibility.
You cannot be penalised or charged with an offence which doesn't exist. There can be no penalty without law.
Why is this important? Simple, the above premise precludes the inclusion of emotion into a case. Law's only interested in the facts, feelings don't come into a determination of guilt (though they may be included in an victims impact statement in deciding a level of punishment if a guilty verdict is achieved).
The symbol of the blindfolded lady holding the scales of justice exists for this very purpose. Justice is blind to anything but fact.
There's mention on this topic that there's corruption in the UK construction industry. Absolutely and spot on. I'd go as far as to say you could probably find corruption at some level in almost any industry or business area you'd care to examine.
This is the important bit. The fact that this corruption is being exposed and the offenders are bought to justice should be a matter of pride irrespective of nationality or background.
I take pride in the fact that as a nation the UK takes an active role in finding and prosecuting these offenders where ever and what ever line of business they are in. This includes the police, the government and the judiciary. Nobody should be above the law.
Every time one of these cases of corruption comes to light it reinforces my right to equitable treatment and instills faith in the justice system.
It may not make comfortable reading to have an allegation of corruption or fraud leveled against something you have faith in. But as a citizen it's your duty to vigorously defend and protect these rights and to challenge and route out those that fail to uphold them.
Whether or not Conor is in the right is not my place to say. That's a job for the court.
The fact that the authorities have been slow to react to an allegation of crime should be a huge cause for concern for any law abiding citizen.
There's a lot of reputable construction companies in Cyprus that are being damaged by this unresolved case. They shouldn't be screaming at Conor , they should be screaming at the authorities.
This is especially true of the company at the centre of the allegation - the longer it goes on the more damage it does to them if they are innocent.
It is the job of the police to investigate these allegations and to bring the accused before a court to determine guilt if the circumstances are such that there is a case to answer. Nothing more and nothing less.
The police are not judge, jury and executioner. They are your public servants and should do the job that the public entrusts them with.
You should be demanding that it's dealt with by those who are entrusted with your protection and welfare.
The 'problem' topic is full of posts asking that 'justice is served'.
The electorate needs to challenge the courts and the authorities as to why it hasn't and to keep on doing so until it is.
Crime and corruption at any level and in any area should be challenged and exposed.
I hope that the Cypriot's get their own 'day in court'. I hope it's sooner rather than later. Demand it from your government and your officials it's your right and you'd better defend it.
What you do to protect and further your rights is down to you.
Conors doing it in his own way and I can't have a go at him for doing that.
I haven't read through all the details surrounding this dispute. I don't really have the time and there's always two or more sides to an argument.
I have read most of the posts on this topic though and I find some of the posts disturbing.
The legal process involves establishing what the 'facts' of a case are and then testing these facts against the established laws of the jurisdiction in which it operates or has responsibility.
You cannot be penalised or charged with an offence which doesn't exist. There can be no penalty without law.
Why is this important? Simple, the above premise precludes the inclusion of emotion into a case. Law's only interested in the facts, feelings don't come into a determination of guilt (though they may be included in an victims impact statement in deciding a level of punishment if a guilty verdict is achieved).
The symbol of the blindfolded lady holding the scales of justice exists for this very purpose. Justice is blind to anything but fact.
There's mention on this topic that there's corruption in the UK construction industry. Absolutely and spot on. I'd go as far as to say you could probably find corruption at some level in almost any industry or business area you'd care to examine.
This is the important bit. The fact that this corruption is being exposed and the offenders are bought to justice should be a matter of pride irrespective of nationality or background.
I take pride in the fact that as a nation the UK takes an active role in finding and prosecuting these offenders where ever and what ever line of business they are in. This includes the police, the government and the judiciary. Nobody should be above the law.
Every time one of these cases of corruption comes to light it reinforces my right to equitable treatment and instills faith in the justice system.
It may not make comfortable reading to have an allegation of corruption or fraud leveled against something you have faith in. But as a citizen it's your duty to vigorously defend and protect these rights and to challenge and route out those that fail to uphold them.
Whether or not Conor is in the right is not my place to say. That's a job for the court.
The fact that the authorities have been slow to react to an allegation of crime should be a huge cause for concern for any law abiding citizen.
There's a lot of reputable construction companies in Cyprus that are being damaged by this unresolved case. They shouldn't be screaming at Conor , they should be screaming at the authorities.
This is especially true of the company at the centre of the allegation - the longer it goes on the more damage it does to them if they are innocent.
It is the job of the police to investigate these allegations and to bring the accused before a court to determine guilt if the circumstances are such that there is a case to answer. Nothing more and nothing less.
The police are not judge, jury and executioner. They are your public servants and should do the job that the public entrusts them with.
You should be demanding that it's dealt with by those who are entrusted with your protection and welfare.
The 'problem' topic is full of posts asking that 'justice is served'.
The electorate needs to challenge the courts and the authorities as to why it hasn't and to keep on doing so until it is.
Crime and corruption at any level and in any area should be challenged and exposed.
I hope that the Cypriot's get their own 'day in court'. I hope it's sooner rather than later. Demand it from your government and your officials it's your right and you'd better defend it.
What you do to protect and further your rights is down to you.
Conors doing it in his own way and I can't have a go at him for doing that.
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by Conor » Fri May 16, 2008 8:50 pm
Thanks for all the support today! I will reply tomorrow.
I notice this forum has a YouTube facility. I hope you enjoy this inspirational speech from Al Pacino in "Any Given Sunday"
I notice this forum has a YouTube facility. I hope you enjoy this inspirational speech from Al Pacino in "Any Given Sunday"
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by Eliko » Fri May 16, 2008 10:59 pm
Oracle wrote:Yup Conor the one man show ... had better be worth all this ...
Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob! .....
Now here stands a lady who does not pull her punches, I do hope you are not a property developer.
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by denizaksulu » Fri May 16, 2008 11:00 pm
Oracle wrote:Well I hope one man and his few thousand pounds for a holiday home are worth disrupting a President on a mission to help 200,000 that have lost all their homes and properties (dating back generations), not to mention representing thousands massacred by Turks and finally the loss of nearly half a country ...
Yup Conor the one man show ... had better be worth all this ...
Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob! .....
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by Oracle » Fri May 16, 2008 11:10 pm
Eliko wrote:Oracle wrote:Yup Conor the one man show ... had better be worth all this ...
Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob! .....
Now here stands a lady who does not pull her punches, I do hope you are not a property developer.
I've dabbled .... but being too human, I turned into a charity
Conor's methods just remind me of someone I had to deal with once, who took great advantage of me, made a lot of noise whilst I just tried to get on with my life under his constant threats and "victim" charade .... but after an overly long time, justice was eventually served and he was found out for hiding a lot of "details" and was duly carted off by the fraud squad.
(Not suggesting for one moment that Conor is hiding anything or hasn't revealed essential details ... just that his modus operandi reflects parallels and gives me the creeps ....
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by JimB » Fri May 16, 2008 11:58 pm
Oracle wrote:Eliko wrote:Oracle wrote:Yup Conor the one man show ... had better be worth all this ...
Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob! .....
Now here stands a lady who does not pull her punches, I do hope you are not a property developer.
I've dabbled .... but being too human, I turned into a charity
Conor's methods just remind me of someone I had to deal with once, who took great advantage of me, made a lot of noise whilst I just tried to get on with my life under his constant threats and "victim" charade .... but after an overly long time, justice was eventually served and he was found out for hiding a lot of "details" and was duly carted off by the fraud squad.
(Not suggesting for one moment that Conor is hiding anything or hasn't revealed essential details ... just that his modus operandi reflects parallels and gives me the creeps ....
Oracle you've actually just answered your own post
'but after an overly long time, justice was eventually served'
Just give the guy his day in court!
What's so wrong with that?
Only reason he's demonstrating whilst your President is defending Cypriot's rights is that nobody over here respected his rights when he could have reasonably expected them to do so.
Hardly nice to call a chap an 'Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob' just for fighting for what he believes in.
From what I can gather you've been doing it for ages.
'Soonest sorted, soonest to bed.'
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by Conor » Sat May 17, 2008 9:32 am
Not a holiday home Oracle but where I was to live and raise my family and continue my business. You haven’t read a paragraph on my case and YOU are ignorant and thuggish.
Oracle you went quiet for a while back after I mentioned the similarities in my case to the North / South divide. I see you are back kicking and screaming but not surprised my point was over looked. Let me spell it out for you in plain simple terms.
In January 2008 I went to view my house, on leaving my development my car was rammed in the centre of Frenaros. I was in a foetal position whilst 3 men went to work on me. The large crowd gathered and watched. The women were screaming but when the police came no one had seen a thing. Were you one of them women Oracle if not it sounds a lot like you? Cowardly and racist! I am neither.
Oracle - Does the scenario of not even being allowed to LOOK at your own house on a development called “Ayios Sergios” ring ANY BELL with you at all?
North London is often referred to as Little Cyprus with an estimated 270,000 Greek Cypriots (source Wikipedia). This Sunday 700 of the most influential will walk past my family and others like me and go and discuss their problems. If they stop and think for a second then my job is done. Fortunately for me they are not all like you and that is why my phone has been ringing this week.
I’m sure you will ignore the above and rant on I can’t compete with the time on your hands.
In my opinion certain developers make a living out of taking Foreigners (mainly British) hard earned money then building whatever they like. The customer pours money, energy and dreams into the project for a year. When their customer complains at what they built is totally wrong they are hit with extorted cancellation fees in a rising property market. So they are hit twice as hard!
Oracle - these cancellation fees grease the wheels of YOUR corrupt industry and the government LOVED it. It was every lawyer’s mortgage and your university fees. (What a waste)
Most customers HAVE to pay these fees. They HAVE to lick their wounds go home never to return to Cyprus again. They HAVE to because of work circumstances. Because they can’t bring over their family straight into a 3-5 years crooked court case. They HAVE to because they have been working HARD all their lives and deserve a decent retirement.
My circumstances were different in 2005/2006. As I had to say to THEIR lawyer last year “this time they picked on the wrong idiot” I did nothing wrong and was not going to put up with paying them money because they breached our contract and that’s after they had our money for over a year.
“I’m not their bank and I’m not their punch bag” me to Fotos Pittadjis Sept 2007 (after my first assault but before my SECOND)
There are No Property Rights in Cyprus; my case has proved that. I own a piece of very expensive paper in the land registry. Highlighting my case this weekend has already produced results.
Up till now I’ve been playing poker holding a “royal flush” for all to see and just wanted the ante back. The cowboy has been looking up his sleeve for more cards and the dealers helping him by going through the pack. Meanwhile the bar man come from behind, hit me over the head and threw me out of the saloon. The town Sherriff didn’t see a thing. He be friendly with the old cowboys and me as an outsider don’t stand a chance in town.
Well this week the Marshall of EU State phoned me (stay with me here - mobile phones in Wild West) and said
“Boy, I seen them wanted posters you had up all over the State and you have been wronged Sir. We is gon’a investigate these cowboys and you WILL have a fair trial.”
Well YEEE HAAA. Miss daisy! That’s all I ever wanted. Shame it didn’t happen a year ago. Them wanted posters have been up a while now but my previous lawyers had been sitting on the porch.
I can well believe the kind of people you attract. Like flys round sh**
Stand and defend Christoforos Karayiannas & Son ltd. Their lawyer Pittajis of Paralimni who represented them to sell my house to another family and their new lawyer Andrew Klydes who use to represent me but now represents Karayiannas in the same case
(click on the man in the wig on my home page).
I realised Oracle you can’t read (my website) so pour yourself a “gin and tonic” of whatever you’re drinking and enjoy these videos. The legal system in Cyprus has it quirks but so do I. This doesn’t make me “Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob!” That’s you looking in the mirror and not at my website.
Oracle you went quiet for a while back after I mentioned the similarities in my case to the North / South divide. I see you are back kicking and screaming but not surprised my point was over looked. Let me spell it out for you in plain simple terms.
In January 2008 I went to view my house, on leaving my development my car was rammed in the centre of Frenaros. I was in a foetal position whilst 3 men went to work on me. The large crowd gathered and watched. The women were screaming but when the police came no one had seen a thing. Were you one of them women Oracle if not it sounds a lot like you? Cowardly and racist! I am neither.
Oracle - Does the scenario of not even being allowed to LOOK at your own house on a development called “Ayios Sergios” ring ANY BELL with you at all?
North London is often referred to as Little Cyprus with an estimated 270,000 Greek Cypriots (source Wikipedia). This Sunday 700 of the most influential will walk past my family and others like me and go and discuss their problems. If they stop and think for a second then my job is done. Fortunately for me they are not all like you and that is why my phone has been ringing this week.
I’m sure you will ignore the above and rant on I can’t compete with the time on your hands.
In my opinion certain developers make a living out of taking Foreigners (mainly British) hard earned money then building whatever they like. The customer pours money, energy and dreams into the project for a year. When their customer complains at what they built is totally wrong they are hit with extorted cancellation fees in a rising property market. So they are hit twice as hard!
Oracle - these cancellation fees grease the wheels of YOUR corrupt industry and the government LOVED it. It was every lawyer’s mortgage and your university fees. (What a waste)
Most customers HAVE to pay these fees. They HAVE to lick their wounds go home never to return to Cyprus again. They HAVE to because of work circumstances. Because they can’t bring over their family straight into a 3-5 years crooked court case. They HAVE to because they have been working HARD all their lives and deserve a decent retirement.
My circumstances were different in 2005/2006. As I had to say to THEIR lawyer last year “this time they picked on the wrong idiot” I did nothing wrong and was not going to put up with paying them money because they breached our contract and that’s after they had our money for over a year.
“I’m not their bank and I’m not their punch bag” me to Fotos Pittadjis Sept 2007 (after my first assault but before my SECOND)
There are No Property Rights in Cyprus; my case has proved that. I own a piece of very expensive paper in the land registry. Highlighting my case this weekend has already produced results.
Up till now I’ve been playing poker holding a “royal flush” for all to see and just wanted the ante back. The cowboy has been looking up his sleeve for more cards and the dealers helping him by going through the pack. Meanwhile the bar man come from behind, hit me over the head and threw me out of the saloon. The town Sherriff didn’t see a thing. He be friendly with the old cowboys and me as an outsider don’t stand a chance in town.
Well this week the Marshall of EU State phoned me (stay with me here - mobile phones in Wild West) and said
“Boy, I seen them wanted posters you had up all over the State and you have been wronged Sir. We is gon’a investigate these cowboys and you WILL have a fair trial.”
Well YEEE HAAA. Miss daisy! That’s all I ever wanted. Shame it didn’t happen a year ago. Them wanted posters have been up a while now but my previous lawyers had been sitting on the porch.
Oracle wrote:Conor's methods just remind me of someone I had to deal with once, who took great advantage of me...
I can well believe the kind of people you attract. Like flys round sh**
Stand and defend Christoforos Karayiannas & Son ltd. Their lawyer Pittajis of Paralimni who represented them to sell my house to another family and their new lawyer Andrew Klydes who use to represent me but now represents Karayiannas in the same case
(click on the man in the wig on my home page).
I realised Oracle you can’t read (my website) so pour yourself a “gin and tonic” of whatever you’re drinking and enjoy these videos. The legal system in Cyprus has it quirks but so do I. This doesn’t make me “Unscrupulous, selfish, ignoramus, loud-mouthed yob!” That’s you looking in the mirror and not at my website.
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