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[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp , I totally agree that via a comprehensive solution as many GCs should get rights (not including right to settle at will) to their properties or compensaiton where rights are no longer possible. Can you envisage you living next door to me and my family and not saying "gunaydin" when our paths cross this maybe the European way which you have to subscribe to but not the Cypriot way which we still uphold and cherish.

Are you more cypriot than me????

why is that I dont want the property back that you have in your posession which belongs to me (and dont say its not worth anything made of mud or in the mountains so has no value believe me its prime property) but I am willing to exchange for compensation or even the extreme give it up for a final solution. I dont have the desire to move back however valuable the property is because I dont want to live amongst GCs and a culture and language I know nothing about. Why do you have this desire and not me? are you more Cypriot than me? do you love your country more than me? or do you have ulterior motives? which we always sense and cannot accept feeling untrusting of your true intentions towards our community.

[MicAtCyp]

why is that I dont want the property back that you have in your posession which belongs to me (and dont say its not worth anything made of mud or in the mountains so has no value believe me its prime property) but I am willing to exchange for compensation or even the extreme give it up for a final solution. I dont have the desire to move back however valuable the property is because I dont want to live amongst GCs and a culture and language I know nothing about. Why do you have this desire and not me?

I tell you why you don't have the desire. It's because you know damn well that what you left behind worths 1/20th of what you got. For you personally I think you left behind nothing at all, thats why your family emigrated to England before the 1960s.

There are TC members in this forum who verified many times what properties they left behind and beleive me they are not ready to give them to anyone unless they are guaranteed to get an equal property in exchange. Whereas for each and every TC this exchange is quite easy and possible, IT IS NOT for the GCs, because like I said many times area-wise you left behind 1/3 of what you grabbed and value-wise you left behind 1/20 of what you grabbed.Furthermore you already donated a huge part of our properties to your trashy settlers.

So enough of your lies. I told you before.The Gcs don't care of what culture you have, what language you speak, or how you look like. The reason they want to go back is to get their properties, and not for saying Kalimera or Kalispera to you.
You on the other hand pretend you are afraid for your personal safety from the GCs, (at a time you cannot even go to sleep and leave the door unlocked because of the settler robberers), pretend you want to maintain your culture and your coherence for exactly the same secret reasons: To forbit the GCs from returning and thus steal their properties legally. This will never be accepted.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

I tell you why you don't have the desire. It's because you know damn well that what you left behind worths 1/20th of what you got.

Bullshit, im talking about my family as a one off case and what we left behind in the south. Please read my posts more carefully without having your blood pressure bust a vein.

My father emigrated to UK in the 60s due to the GC ethnic cleansing programme, your logic says he was poor so he went to UK to make a fortune this does not mean we did not have or inherit any property both in the north and south.

There are TC members in this forum who verified many times what properties they left behind and beleive me they are not ready to give them to anyone unless they are guaranteed to get an equal property in exchange. Whereas for each and every TC this exchange is quite easy and possible,

If you read my posts properly you would see that I said in the extreem case I would consider after compensation or exchange for equivelent property in north, giving up my property for a solution.

So enough of your lies. I told you before.The Gcs don't care of what culture you have, what language you speak, or how you look like. The reason they want to go back is to get their properties, and not for saying Kalimera or Kalispera to you. You on the other hand pretend you are afraid for your personal safety from the GCs, (at a time you cannot even go to sleep and leave the door unlocked because of the settler robberers), pretend you want to maintain your culture and your coherence for exactly the same secret reasons: To forbit the GCs from returning and thus steal their properties legally. This will never be accepted.

I dont lie you ignorant uncultured pig. (apologies to admin but theres a limit to everything)

[garbitsch]

VP, there is no need to become like him. Leave him alone. Everybody is aware of what kind of person he is.

[pantelis]

My father emigrated to UK in the 60s due to the GC ethnic cleansing programme, your logic says he was poor so he went to UK to make a fortune this does not mean we did not have or inherit any property both in the north and south.

In the 60s almost everyone was poor. Many TCs and more GCs left the island for the same reason, a better life.

After 74, many GCs and many TCs left the island, but this time for different reasons.

The GCs left because they were left with nothing. There was nothing to keep them there.

Why did the TCs leave? Any ideas Viewpoint?

Cyprus is big enough and rich enough for all TCs and GCs to earn a living and live happily together. Corruption, greed and war bring misery to all.
We keep looking for the "solution" throughout the years, with our eyes in the sky, while we keep stepping all over it.
Enough!

[insan]

Pantelis, if you claim you can live in a country under embargos; come to Cyprus, I'll give you a brand new house and a car. If you think these are enough for someone to lead a prosperous life(even an average level of life) for 30 years under the embargos; have a try living in a country under embargos. Imagine yourself, given a "brand new" TC house in South; you have a car but your annual income is not more than 6-7 thousand $.


Furthermore you skip the fact that many TCs immigrated to other countries because of the negative affects of implementation of Akritas Plan. You call it they immigrated for a better life. Majority of GCs considered TCs as a minority. TCs have always opposed this point of view but GC leadership in cooperation with Greek leadership forced TCs to accept the minority status. Can't you see that TCs has never accepted the minority status and will never accept to be degraded to a minority? So why do you still call them to accept the minority status?

Yes, according to you majority of TCs would like to live like a minority in Cyprus but they cannot express their views because of the fear of Turkish army.

Pantelis, with a mentality like this; you are doomed to lose the sympathy and trust of TCs.

[MicAtCyp]

Bullshit, im talking about my family as a one off case and what we left behind in the south. Please read my posts more carefully without having your blood pressure bust a vein.

Obviously you should check your own blood pressure. Yes you case is one off, I already explained you it is not only your case is the case of all the TCs and all the GC refugees.What you ALL left behind [b] is NOT equal

int "] My father emigrated to UK in the 60s due to the GC ethnic cleansing programme, your logic says he was poor so he went to UK to make a fortune this does not mean we did not have or inherit any property both in the north and south.

Say whatever you like. I don't beleive a single shit of what you write in here. I know many Cypriots emigrated to UK for a better future that had nothing to do with what you say. Years later they told you the poem to attribute your emmigration to "Ethnic Cleansing" and use that for propaganda purposes. Yeah, right all of you emigrated for the ethnic cleansing, however only the GCs emmigrated for a better future.

If you read my posts properly you would see that I said in the extreem case I would consider after compensation or exchange for equivelent property in north, giving up my property for a solution.

Why did you ommit from your quote my part that explains why for the majority of the GC refugees this exchange is not possible because what you left behind is just 1/3rd area wise and 1/20th value wise? Not good to sustain your argument?

I dont lie you ignorant uncultured pig.

So from all that paragraph you quoted, you only understood the first 4 words? Well that sure classifies you pretty well, dear sub-species.

[Bananiot]

Many leftists GC's emigrated to England, Australia and America between 1955-1959 in order to avoid a bullet from EOKA. Besides the 212 or so that were brutally murdered, many got their marching orders through constant threat and intimidation. It is not that easy to leave your place and go to a foreign land to live, unless there is a real reason. The Cypriots were poor, perhaps much poorer before 1955, but those that decided to emigrate were very, very few. The surge of GC's and TC's emigrating to foreign lands started in 1957 approximately and many people that left did so to escape the extremists from both sides that started at that time their unholy job of distroying our country. Among these extremists were Denktas, Papadopoulos, Yorkadjis, Sampson, Lyssarides and a few others. Some of them are still around, but people whistle merrily and one of them says "the man has changed" but, the irony of Cyprus, the very party he hunted down elevated him to top spot! I agree however, the TC's possibly had added reasons to escape.

[-mikkie2-]

Interesting! Does that mean my parents who came to the UK in the mid 60's are here because of EOKA? Nope, they had no links with EOKA and did not get involved in such activities. Did they come here because they were under threat of their lives? Nope! Were they leftists? No.

The only reason they came to the UK is to build a better life because in Cyprus they had virtually nothing. Like most people they came from poor backgrounds. In one respect, Britain was actually encouraging people from the Commonwealth to go to Britain as there were labour shortages and this probably had more influence in encouraging people go to Britain than anything else. Obviously not everyone had this reason, but I think it certainly was a significant factor.

[Bananiot]

Its no good generalising using your parents as an example. Before EOKA started murdering Cypriots, the tide was not even a stream. As soon as EOKA started killing people the stream turned into a flooded river.