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The January 1950 “Referendum for ENOSIS” under Makarios II

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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 5:50 pm

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denizaksulu wrote:
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Gabira wrote:GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:

We're not interested in your family's experiences because we also have our own experiences but refuse to post them because a single family's sufferings does not reflect Cyprus as a whole.

That is where you are wrong GR. Every single household, whether TC or GC which has suffered cannot be ignored. Altogether they represent a lot. You cannot ignore this. Otherwise the great number churners of this forum would be redundant. (eg: Piratis & Oracle and a few others of lesser notoriety).

We are not the Red Cross here Deniz. We don’t have the time or the expertise to listen to every family’s story and provide them with counseling. As a political forum, we’re interested in the TOTAL number of dead, and the TOTAL number of displaced, and the TOTAL number of everything... in order to arrive at meaningful conclusions in debate.

Do you seriously believe that people like you can ever arrive at any meaningful conclusions?

Absolutely! For example, a popular story that was being propagated by Turkish Cypriot misinformers was that:

"During 1963..67, GCs conducted genocide against TCs"

...and we were able to debunk this myth by finding the EXACT number of casualties of all ethnic groups during those years, and lo and behold they were less than 250 for each side suggesting inter-communal clashes and certainly not a one-sided genocide! :lol:

Case closed! ...this is the beauty of the Cyprus Forum.
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Postby FullMetalTurk » Wed May 07, 2008 6:44 pm

Get Real wrote:
'"Absolutely! For example, a popular story that was being propagated by Turkish Cypriot misinformers was that:

"During 1963..67, GCs conducted genocide against TCs"

Case closed '




Case closed .. CASE FOOKING CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!


what do you mean by '' popular story ''..
did we just get up in the middle of the night and start killing each other.listen mate, you lot started this mess,you spilt first blood,because of your sheer greed (and stupidity) you tried to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people and in the aftermath you turn it round on us making yourselves out as victims,bullshit.
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Postby Piratis » Wed May 07, 2008 7:08 pm

what do you mean by '' popular story ''..
did we just get up in the middle of the night and start killing each other.listen mate, you lot started this mess,you spilt first blood,because of your sheer greed (and stupidity) you tried to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people and in the aftermath you turn it round on us making yourselves out as victims,bullshit.


You just repeat your propaganda poems and you have no facts to back up the bullshit you are saying.

Who started it all? The Turks did:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


So that was the start. Unless you can find something before that? If not, then deal with the facts and stop repeating your lies.

But of course the above was just the start of the massive Turkish crimes and atrocities against Cyprus.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


So the Turks were butchering Cypriots by the 1000s, just to ensure that Cypriots would not be liberated from them. This went on for over 3 centuries.

Then the British took over, and naturally the Cypriot people continued to demand their freedom. In 1955 we started a straggle against the foreign colonialists (not against the TC minority).

Then the Turks attacked us again in 1958 starting the inter-communal conflict, collaborated with the colonialists, and started to demand that Greek Cypriots should be exterminated from half of their island.

In that conflict which lasted until 1968, TCs had some 100s of victims, about the same as the GCs had.

Then in 1974, the Turks invaded again and started to kill Cypriots by the 1000s, ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands and raping under age girls. To excuse this crime the Turks claimed that they supposedly came to "save the TC minority" which is nothing but a big fat lie since as we have shown many times in this forum not a single TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion had started.

So not only the Turks started it all, but they continue with crimes ever since against the Cypriots people, almost non-stop, crimes that continue until today.

Cypriots my friend never went out of their own island to harm anybody. It is the Turks who kept invading us, stealing our lands, and killing Cypriots by the 1000s. The only thing the Cypriots ever fought for was for their freedom and self-determination. Nothing more.

And then you come here to pretend to be the victim???
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Postby FullMetalTurk » Wed May 07, 2008 7:26 pm

dont give me a history lesson on the ottomans,and them "'butchering'" you by the 1000s " crap.where do you gets your 'facts' from.

like i said, cyprus is in this mess because of YOU.
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Postby Oracle » Wed May 07, 2008 7:50 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:dont give me a history lesson on the ottomans,and them "'butchering'" you by the 1000s " crap.where do you gets your 'facts' from.

like i said, cyprus is in this mess because of YOU.


Precisely what is this mess that Cyprus is in?

I thought the Turks were very happy with their achievements so far! They have virtually half an Island for free, and without killing anyone for it according to you.
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Postby Piratis » Wed May 07, 2008 7:51 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:dont give me a history lesson on the ottomans,and them "'butchering'" you by the 1000s " crap.where do you gets your 'facts' from.


What I quoted comes from your USA friends, the library of Congress.

What exactly do you dispute?

That it is the Turks who "started it" when they invaded Cyprus in order to enslave and exploit us?

That the Turks have killed 1000s and 10s of thousands of Cypriots at a time, as recently as 1974?

That the intercommunal conflict was started by TCs in the late 50s?

That while you have butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots, the TCs only lost some 100s, in a conflict which the TCs themselves started?

That in 1974 Turkey invaded and killed 1000s of people, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, using as an excuse a big fat lie that supposedly TCs were killed and she invaded to protect them?


like i said, cyprus is in this mess because of YOU.


Thats the funniest thing mate. You just repeat what they brainwashed you to believe, and you don't even know why. You just want everybody to accept what you say just because you say it, without giving any facts. That might be the way it works in your schools where you brainwash your children to believe that GCs are the "evils" that deserve to have their rights violated and their lands stolen, but here it doesn't work that way.
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Postby unitedwestand » Wed May 07, 2008 7:52 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:Get Real wrote:
'"Absolutely! For example, a popular story that was being propagated by Turkish Cypriot misinformers was that:

"During 1963..67, GCs conducted genocide against TCs"

Case closed '




Case closed .. CASE FOOKING CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!


what do you mean by '' popular story ''..
did we just get up in the middle of the night and start killing each other.listen mate, you lot started this mess,you spilt first blood,because of your sheer greed (and stupidity) you tried to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people and in the aftermath you turn it round on us making yourselves out as victims,bullshit.


Well said FMT. BTW, don't bother with Piratis, the man is head case. He is not human, more like a robot.

As for GR, he is no different to Piraits, full of shit.
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Postby Piratis » Wed May 07, 2008 7:55 pm

unitedwestand wrote:
FullMetalTurk wrote:Get Real wrote:
'"Absolutely! For example, a popular story that was being propagated by Turkish Cypriot misinformers was that:

"During 1963..67, GCs conducted genocide against TCs"

Case closed '




Case closed .. CASE FOOKING CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!


what do you mean by '' popular story ''..
did we just get up in the middle of the night and start killing each other.listen mate, you lot started this mess,you spilt first blood,because of your sheer greed (and stupidity) you tried to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people and in the aftermath you turn it round on us making yourselves out as victims,bullshit.


Well said FMT. BTW, don't bother with Piratis, the man is head case. He is not human, more like a robot.

As for GR, he is no different to Piraits, full of shit.


Nobody needs to bother with Piratis, but it is about time to start to bother with the facts instead of just repeating the slogans they taught you at your schools.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 8:03 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:what do you mean by '' popular story ''..

How about... "frequently served myth" ?

..did we just get up in the middle of the night and start killing each other.listen mate, you lot started this mess,you spilt first blood,

We have actually busted this myth too... Piratis has given you the VERY FIRST case of spilt blood on the island, but if you want one that is more relevant to the 1963..67 events you'll find the TC's did it again unfortunately...

On the night of 7 June shortly after 10 p.m. a bomb explosion outside the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia set off the worst outbreak of racial strife which the island had seen since British rule. The explosion served as a time signal and an excuse for Turkish rioters to invade the Greek sector of the old town...


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... %2758.html

...because of your sheer greed (and stupidity) you tried to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people and in the aftermath you turn it round on us making yourselves out as victims,bullshit.

If you really want to talk about "sheer greed" take a good look at the Turkish Cypriot community today prostituting property that does not belong to them and ransacking ancient churches and their priceless contents...
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 8:11 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:dont give me a history lesson on the ottomans,and them "'butchering'" you by the 1000s " crap.where do you gets your 'facts' from.
like i said, cyprus is in this mess because of YOU.

Never mind what you've said...

The American Library of Congress is an excellent reference for information…

http://www.loc.gov/index.html

…which includes a sub-reference called “A Country Study” under which you’ll find…

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0017)

Happy reading…
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