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The January 1950 “Referendum for ENOSIS” under Makarios II

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Big Al » Wed May 07, 2008 8:19 am

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Big Al wrote:Piratis,
Thanks for your comments regarding fighting foreign rulers, you'll understand now why partition is the only solution, TC's dont want to be ruled by a foreign power (GC)

Having posted on another thread referring to the settlers as your brothers , the natural thing for those that share your sentiments , the minority that is , is a return to to your motherland then you wont have to put up with " the foreign power " you know the so called "ROC" recognised by the so called " UN " the so called "EU" as the sole legal government of the so called nation of " Cyprus" , which the unrecognised REAL REPUBLIC , THE TRNC , refuses to recognise the so called ROC and Plonkers like you refer to it as a foreign power !!!
Well I'm glad there aren't many that share your views , apart that is from your two mates Eric , and Pauul . Do you take it in turns in posting !!

ps. Do you know how many T/Cs hold the so called ROC passport ???


I dont need to return to the motherland, i have my land in the TRNC and whether you recognise/accept or not it exists and has been for over 30 years. TC's will never live under a GC government, a preferred option is to be annexed by Turkey and if push comes to shove thats the way TC's will vote :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Wed May 07, 2008 8:22 am

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Piratis wrote:The conflict with the TC minority started in 1958, when the TCs attacked us and started to demand that we should be exterminated from half of our island, a plan that as we all know executed soon after.


Wow ... it only gets better :lol:

I suppose GR's own referencing has no relevance to problems in 1958 ?

In 1948 the bishop of Citium of Cyprus, Mihail Mouskos, began to organize support for enosis through the Church of Cyprus to exclude communist influence and to restore the temporal power of the church. In January 1950 the British authorities refused his request for a referendum on enosis. Yet when the church hierarchy polled the Greek community, 95.7 percent favored union with Greece.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761 ... yprus.html


Did you truly expect the TC's to sit back and allow for ENOSIS to completely prevail ?

Piratis, your argument of everything being 5 billion years Greek is getting rather long in the tooth now. It's time to let go of the ancient dreams.

Most nations in the World evolved through crusades, trying to claim superiority based on 5 billion Greek years of your version of history is dismal.

GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:


No, I didn't expect the Turks to sit and allow Cypriots to be free. All I am saying is that you attacked us, as you have done many times in the past, in order to enslave our island and prevent Cypriots from being liberated.

Yes, many nations evolved through crusades. But those that continue with crusades at this age are nothing less than criminals. Or maybe you support what Hitler did and you consider it normal?

It just shows how medieval and uncivilized you are if you think you can continue with land grabs and ethnic cleansing as your ancestors have done.
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Postby bilako22 » Wed May 07, 2008 8:56 am

Piratis wrote:
Gabira wrote:
Piratis wrote:The conflict with the TC minority started in 1958, when the TCs attacked us and started to demand that we should be exterminated from half of our island, a plan that as we all know executed soon after.


Wow ... it only gets better :lol:

I suppose GR's own referencing has no relevance to problems in 1958 ?

In 1948 the bishop of Citium of Cyprus, Mihail Mouskos, began to organize support for enosis through the Church of Cyprus to exclude communist influence and to restore the temporal power of the church. In January 1950 the British authorities refused his request for a referendum on enosis. Yet when the church hierarchy polled the Greek community, 95.7 percent favored union with Greece.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761 ... yprus.html


Did you truly expect the TC's to sit back and allow for ENOSIS to completely prevail ?

Piratis, your argument of everything being 5 billion years Greek is getting rather long in the tooth now. It's time to let go of the ancient dreams.

Most nations in the World evolved through crusades, trying to claim superiority based on 5 billion Greek years of your version of history is dismal.

GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:


No, I didn't expect the Turks to sit and allow Cypriots to be free. All I am saying is that you attacked us, as you have done many times in the past, in order to enslave our island and prevent Cypriots from being liberated.

Yes, many nations evolved through crusades. But those that continue with crusades at this age are nothing less than criminals. Or maybe you support what Hitler did and you consider it normal?

It just shows how medieval and uncivilized you are if you think you can continue with land grabs and ethnic cleansing as your ancestors have done.


Please , I beg you , forgive us as Jesus forgave his tormentors . We Turks do not know any better , our history is one of conquer , stealing and killing . For your sakes , do all you can to take all of Cyprus and kick us back to Central Asia.
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Postby Gabira » Wed May 07, 2008 11:35 am

Piratis wrote:No, I didn't expect the Turks to sit and allow Cypriots to be free. All I am saying is that you attacked us, as you have done many times in the past, in order to enslave our island and prevent Cypriots from being liberated.


You have shown your arrogance once again.

Here is the original question again :

Did you truly expect the TC's to sit back and allow for ENOSIS to completely prevail ?

Hint : TC = TURKISH CYPRIOT :wink:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 3:26 pm

I’m glad you showed up Blackley,

I did indeed write to you on another forum, so now that you’re here we’ll hopefully get a reply to:

Why Harry isn't selling...

"Statements by Makarios and others are on the public record. The aim was to eliminate all Turkish Cypriots from the island"


Harry, it's no wonder why your book is not selling. The statement above alone is enough for anyone, who has studied the history of Cyprus from CREDIBLE SOURCES, to know that you're just propagating misinformation.

I challenge you to post a CREDIBLE LINK that proves your allegation. I hope you know what a CREDIBLE LINK is because you’ll have to forget about GC sites, TC sites, Turkish sites, Greek sites, or Armenian sites… so good luck.

Regards GR.

PS: I invite you to the Cyprus Forum to start a thread and prove your allegation.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 3:31 pm

Gabira wrote:
Piratis wrote:No, I didn't expect the Turks to sit and allow Cypriots to be free. All I am saying is that you attacked us, as you have done many times in the past, in order to enslave our island and prevent Cypriots from being liberated.


You have shown your arrogance once again.

Here is the original question again :

Did you truly expect the TC's to sit back and allow for ENOSIS to completely prevail ?

Hint : TC = TURKISH CYPRIOT :wink:

So have you done any research to put up a decent debate, or are you going to waste more of our time with cheap sophistries?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 3:38 pm

Gabira wrote:GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:

We're not interested in your family's experiences because we also have our own experiences but refuse to post them because a single family's sufferings does not reflect Cyprus as a whole.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed May 07, 2008 4:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Gabira wrote:GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:

We're not interested in your family's experiences because we also have our own experiences but refuse to post them because a single family's sufferings does not reflect Cyprus as a whole.



That is where you are wrong GR. Every single household, whether TC or GC which has suffered cannot be ignored. Altogether they represent a lot. You cannot ignore this. Otherwise the great number churners of this forum would be redundant. (eg: Piratis & Oracle and a few others of lesser notoriety).

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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 5:30 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Gabira wrote:GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:

We're not interested in your family's experiences because we also have our own experiences but refuse to post them because a single family's sufferings does not reflect Cyprus as a whole.

That is where you are wrong GR. Every single household, whether TC or GC which has suffered cannot be ignored. Altogether they represent a lot. You cannot ignore this. Otherwise the great number churners of this forum would be redundant. (eg: Piratis & Oracle and a few others of lesser notoriety).

We are not the Red Cross here Deniz. We don’t have the time or the expertise to listen to every family’s story and provide them with counseling. As a political forum, we’re interested in the TOTAL number of dead, and the TOTAL number of displaced, and the TOTAL number of everything... in order to arrive at meaningful conclusions in debate.
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Postby bilako22 » Wed May 07, 2008 5:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Gabira wrote:GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction :wink:

We're not interested in your family's experiences because we also have our own experiences but refuse to post them because a single family's sufferings does not reflect Cyprus as a whole.

That is where you are wrong GR. Every single household, whether TC or GC which has suffered cannot be ignored. Altogether they represent a lot. You cannot ignore this. Otherwise the great number churners of this forum would be redundant. (eg: Piratis & Oracle and a few others of lesser notoriety).

We are not the Red Cross here Deniz. We don’t have the time or the expertise to listen to every family’s story and provide them with counseling. As a political forum, we’re interested in the TOTAL number of dead, and the TOTAL number of displaced, and the TOTAL number of everything... in order to arrive at meaningful conclusions in debate.



Do you seriously believe that people like you can ever arrive at any meaningful conclusions?
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