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[Get Real!]

GR, it wouldn't matter what supporting site was posted. Whilst you only accept your own personal version of events in Cyprus, you are incapable to deem any source posted credible which would not serve your colourful agenda.

I speak from both personal and direct family accounts and experience in relation to the events in Cyprus.

Forget about what your Grandma and Grandpa had to say and get your lazy arse stuck into the HUNDREDS of UN and other official documents that tell you EXACTLY what happened in the WHOLE of the island by impartial officials.

Personal accounts are the WORST forms of "evidence" unless you take dozens of them and from both sides, because no single human being could've ever been in more than one location at any given moment so their account is VERY limited, VERY localized, and VERY one-sided.

Start researching properly or quit posting in the CyProb altogether.

[Piratis]

2. How did the Church manage to conduct any form of credible island-wide “voting” survey from which to extract any meaningful statistics, given that the British who were in control of the island did not assist them and were even against this?

Stop writing in riddles GR annd get to the point for God's sake

Is the Greek Orthodox Church credible or not

I think I'm going to commit a crime!

This thread isn't about the bloody Greek Orthodox Church's overall credibility!!! Hell, I don't even have to research that... I can tell you now:

The Greek Orthodox Church doesn't have any!

This thread is about the VALIDITY, ACCURACY, and RELEVANCE, of that God-forsaken 1950 "ENOSIS referendum", which so far I find to be nothing less than a cheap Greek Orthodox Church scam to "fool" the British.

I can appreciate that you truly are a loyal supporter of maintaining the entertainment on this forum GR and we do thank you again for this pointless exercise of trying to prove if the ENOSIS referendum was official or not.

What bloody difference does it make ?

Unfortunately, the acts of bringing ENOSIS to fruition were carried out by GC's in the era. As a result, GC's destroyed the little trust left between the TC's and GC's at the time. Sadly, GC's expectedly consorted with their Church and committed a colosal mistake for the future of all Cypriots. The minimal resistance towards ENOSIS by GC's at the time is still a reflection of GC attitudes today, a fascist one.

Regardless of "official" referendum or not, the only GC's of the whole population who defied the majority during the ENOSIS dream were slaughtered by their own, resulting in the claimed 1619 odd missing GC's from that period.

The reality is that GC's did not care whether there was ENOSIS or not, they could accept any outcome (excluding a final result which still included TC's). The ultimate goal for GC's was to rid the Island of the British & TC's (whom GC's thought would be a pushover), then they believed that they could deal with anything else after that. ENOSIS was just one of many vehicles GC's used to EXTERMINATE TC's. The GC's under estimated the resistance of TC's and their will to survive against all odds.

Imagine the disatrous consequences that could have eventuated for GC's if TC's or Turkey were equally as fascist as what many GC's are, even today.

TCs were never exterminated, neither there was any such attempt. So stop repeating your lame propaganda.

It is the Turks who kept invading our island, killing 1000s and 10s of thousands of people at a time. The maximum number of people the TCs lost was a few 100s, in a conflict which they started and where GCs had lost a few 100s as well.

The only thing that Cypriots ever fought for was for the liberation of their island from foreign rulers. We many times revolted against the rulers (not against any minority), and fighting for the liberation of our island from Ottoman and British occupations was a 100% just cause either you liked it or not.

The conflict with the TC minority started in 1958, when the TCs attacked us and started to demand that we should be exterminated from half of our island, a plan that as we all know executed soon after.

So when it is you who initiated all attacks, and you who performed the exterminations, stop accusing the Cypriots because they revolted against their foreign rulers seeking their freedom and self-determination.

[Big Al]

Piratis,
Thanks for your comments regarding fighting foreign rulers, you'll understand now why partition is the only solution, TC's dont want to be ruled by a foreign power (GC)

[Piratis]

Piratis,
Thanks for your comments regarding fighting foreign rulers, you'll understand now why partition is the only solution, TC's dont want to be ruled by a foreign power (GC)

If you consider Cypriots as foreigners then go back from where you came from. You are the one who invaded us in order to steal our lands, not the other way around. Never forget this.

You fight to steal our lands. We fight to liberate them. See the difference?

[Oracle]

What Big Al is demonstrating here is the manifestation of one of the symptoms of the invader mentality ... where the invading power so hates the "foreigners" they have conquered because they are a reminder of the evil that the invader has had to commit in order to carry out the invasion, that they have to eliminate the pre-existing "foreigners" by genocide or ethnic cleansing (thus leading the way to colonisation by their "own" people etc). ... Bacteria carry out a very similar colonisation procedure, producing bactericidal agents to remove the "foreign" - bacteria so that they can re-colonise with their own kind.

[Big Al]

What Big Al is demonstrating here is the manifestation of one of the symptoms of the invader mentality ... where the invading power so hates the "foreigners" they have conquered because they are a reminder of the evil that the invader has had to commit in order to carry out the invasion, that they have to eliminate the pre-existing "foreigners" by genocide or ethnic cleansing (thus leading the way to colonisation by their "own" people etc). ... Bacteria carry out a very similar colonisation procedure, producing bactericidal agents to remove the "foreign" - bacteria so that they can re-colonise with their own kind.

and parasites like yourself attempt to chew up everything infront of them

[Oracle]

What Big Al is demonstrating here is the manifestation of one of the symptoms of the invader mentality ... where the invading power so hates the "foreigners" they have conquered because they are a reminder of the evil that the invader has had to commit in order to carry out the invasion, that they have to eliminate the pre-existing "foreigners" by genocide or ethnic cleansing (thus leading the way to colonisation by their "own" people etc). ... Bacteria carry out a very similar colonisation procedure, producing bactericidal agents to remove the "foreign" - bacteria so that they can re-colonise with their own kind.

and parasites like yourself attempt to chew up everything infront of them

Actually parasites are very selective .... and will usually only feed off one specific host ...

(However, of prime importance to be a successful parasite is the acquisition of invasive mechanisms ..... GCs have never demonstrated possession of this prerequisite requirement.)

[Gabira]

The conflict with the TC minority started in 1958, when the TCs attacked us and started to demand that we should be exterminated from half of our island, a plan that as we all know executed soon after.

Wow ... it only gets better

I suppose GR's own referencing has no relevance to problems in 1958 ?

In 1948 the bishop of Citium of Cyprus, Mihail Mouskos, began to organize support for enosis through the Church of Cyprus to exclude communist influence and to restore the temporal power of the church. In January 1950 the British authorities refused his request for a referendum on enosis. Yet when the church hierarchy polled the Greek community, 95.7 percent favored union with Greece.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761 ... yprus.html

Did you truly expect the TC's to sit back and allow for ENOSIS to completely prevail ?

Piratis, your argument of everything being 5 billion years Greek is getting rather long in the tooth now. It's time to let go of the ancient dreams.

Most nations in the World evolved through crusades, trying to claim superiority based on 5 billion Greek years of your version of history is dismal.

GR, my experiences are not only based on my grandparents sufferings but also my mothers, my fathers and my own personal experiences.

N.B I will post here at my own free will and not at your direction

[blackley]

I have been busy completing a second fictional historical novel. I logged on to North Cyprus Media Watch and read several responses to my original post. GR, Get Real I assume, suggested that I post on Cyprus Forum. Unless a person actually reads a book then they have no right to comment on it. This is a fictional historical story of two people from different cultures set in Cyprus, Scotland, Turkey and Australia over the period 1950-1974. Nothing more and nothing less. If I have used statements made by real historical characters at that time, they are all there in black and white, on the record in books, newspapers and articles on the internet. I am sorry to disappoint GR who began his post "Why Harry's Book Isn't Selling". This author is very happy with the return on his investment.
By the way, to others who posted, Doctor Zhivago is a fictional historical novel that includes factual details of the events prior to, during and after the Russian Revolution.

[miltiades]

Piratis,
Thanks for your comments regarding fighting foreign rulers, you'll understand now why partition is the only solution, TC's dont want to be ruled by a foreign power (GC)

Having posted on another thread referring to the settlers as your brothers , the natural thing for those that share your sentiments , the minority that is , is a return to to your motherland then you wont have to put up with " the foreign power " you know the so called "ROC" recognised by the so called " UN " the so called "EU" as the sole legal government of the so called nation of " Cyprus" , which the unrecognised REAL REPUBLIC , THE TRNC , refuses to recognise the so called ROC and Plonkers like you refer to it as a foreign power !!!
Well I'm glad there aren't many that share your views , apart that is from your two mates Eric , and Pauul . Do you take it in turns in posting !!

ps. Do you know how many T/Cs hold the so called ROC passport ???