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The January 1950 “Referendum for ENOSIS” under Makarios II

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Postby Oracle » Wed May 07, 2008 9:20 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:
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FullMetalTurk wrote: ... youve changed the whole scenario,you will never change.


Classic! :lol:


i dont think you understood what i was saying,i'll start again
basicaly we were talking about a book writen by an english journalist who was in cyprus in the 60's.so instead of talking about what he had to say you wander off and change the subject to name calling and cursing,which to me sounds like "scenario changing".like the one youve been doing for the past 34.7 years,hence the fact i said " you will never change.


.... well I guess we're safe that you'll ever get asked to write a review on it :lol:
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Postby FullMetalTurk » Wed May 07, 2008 9:27 pm

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unitedwestand wrote:The mans a fucking moron, an educated one but never the less a fucking moron. Piece of shit to be more precise.

What is the probability that you're only saying that because I constantly embarrass you? :lol:

Whats their to be embarrassed about dickbrain. I know enough about Cyprus and its history as well as you Greeks. I don't need to listen to your version of history and get into a debate when its just hot air.

You post nothing but worthless shit, nobody believes it except Kfeas, Kikapu and Piratis. .................Oh I almost forgot and that Oracle bird who has a pile of shit for brains.

Hot Air is all that you and your mate have been trying to sell us so far but unfortunately for you, this is the Cyprus Forum and not ATCA! :lol:

Just give it up UWS, and for your community’s sake let someone else have a go...


have a go with what? what are we doing rolling dice or something.are we keeping scores.
you must be one of the intellectual people on this site - sorry pall i dont use fancy words and long winded sentenses to express my thoughts and views.short and sweet is how i like it.just like 1974.no messing around.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 9:34 pm

FullMetalTurk wrote:have a go with what? what are we doing rolling dice or something.are we keeping scores.
you must be one of the intellectual people on this site - sorry pall i dont use fancy words and long winded sentenses to express my thoughts and views.short and sweet is how i like it.just like 1974.no messing around.

If you can't counter the argument then move on to something else but quit wasting everyone's time thank you.
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Postby bilako22 » Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 pm

Get Real! wrote:
FullMetalTurk wrote:have a go with what? what are we doing rolling dice or something.are we keeping scores.
you must be one of the intellectual people on this site - sorry pall i dont use fancy words and long winded sentenses to express my thoughts and views.short and sweet is how i like it.just like 1974.no messing around.

If you can't counter the argument then move on to something else but quit wasting everyone's time thank you.


Give it a rest , real. The ottomans are not relevant to current Cyprus history .
We Cypriots had the opportunity in 1960 to establish an island of prosperity ,
one that was wasted due to Greek desire for Enosis.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 07, 2008 11:46 pm

bilako22 wrote:Give it a rest , real. The ottomans are not relevant to current Cyprus history .

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard on the forum… if it were not for the Ottoman invasion and occupation there wouldn’t be a TC community and thus a Cyprus Problem today!

We Cypriots had the opportunity in 1960 to establish an island of prosperity , one that was wasted due to Greek desire for Enosis.

So what did your "TRNC" school books tell you this time?

This had better be interesting because so far we've had so much hot air coming from Turkish Cypriots you could fill up the GoodYear airship several times over...
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Postby Talisker » Wed May 07, 2008 11:54 pm

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Get Real! wrote:2. How did the Church manage to conduct any form of credible island-wide “voting” survey from which to extract any meaningful statistics, given that the British who were in control of the island did not assist them and were even against this?


Stop writing in riddles GR annd get to the point for God's sake :!:

Is the Greek Orthodox Church credible or not :?:

Image I think I'm going to commit a crime! :?

This thread isn't about the bloody Greek Orthodox Church's overall credibility!!! Hell, I don't even have to research that... I can tell you now:

The Greek Orthodox Church doesn't have any!

This thread is about the VALIDITY, ACCURACY, and RELEVANCE, of that God-forsaken 1950 "ENOSIS referendum", which so far I find to be nothing less than a cheap Greek Orthodox Church scam to "fool" the British.


The G.O. Church did a great job of "fooling" the GCs and the Greeks too by the look of things. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is your own people who keep coming up this 96% argument to remind us of their "human" and "democratic rights" in order to endorse thair claim that the GCs should have been given the right to ENOSIS and that us TCs should have joined them and that we are "traitors" because we did not side with the "majority of Cypriots" but sided with the Brits and all that crap.

What I am wondering though is why you waited so long to bring this to our attention and never said anything in the past when your people kept claiming this as a "fact"? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

My priority is to analyze and understand as many of the intricate details as possible, of the history of this God forsaken island for my sake, and that of any one else who may be interested, and I honestly don't care if bringing something to the surface serves someone's cause today or not, as long as it is FACTS that surface.

Been trying to find authoritative information on the "Referendum for ENOSIS". Will this do? Below is an extract taken from:
http://www.eumed.net/entelequia/pdf/2007/e05a02.pdf

In 1948 the Greek Orthodox Church re­jected a self­government offer made by the British government on the grounds that self­government would be “the grave of Enosis”. The Communists grabbed the chance, and on 23 November 1949 the mu­nicipal councils of Larnaca, Famagusta, Li­massol and Morphou, largely controlled by the Communists, announced that they would send a memorandum to the UN Security Council denouncing British rule and de­manding Enosis. Just three days later, on 26 November, AKEL officially endorsed this move. The Communists’ petition was duly sent to the United Nations. As a corollary, the Church of Cyprus was stymied; and on 1 December of that same year Makarios, the metropolitan of Citium, the very one who was later to become Archbishop and Presid­ent of Cyprus, put forward the idea of con­ducting a plebiscite on the Enosis question. His proposal was accepted. So, on 8 Decem­ber 1950, Makarios II published an encyclic­al to be read all over the Island: Enosis was regarded as the sole aim of the “Cypriots’ struggle”; and the Cypriots were invited to proclaim their pro­Enosis sentiment through a plebiscite’s “peaceful battle”. The plebis­cite was to be held from 15 January 1950. Nonetheless, on 5 January, a broadcast in Greek was monitored from Sofia, the main passage of which read as follows:

“January 15th will be a historic day for the Cypriot people… On that day the whole of Cyprus by plebiscite will state its just demand for union with its mother country, Greece, and will strengthen its decision to fight for breaking of the Imperialist bonds and attain­ing its national freedom and restoration…In spite of all the difficulties created for the Cyprus question by monarchofascism [i.e. the Greek government and state apparatus]…, and in spite of the intensity of the British Im­perialism in its determination to keep the land as a military base, the Cypriot people not only refused to give up the fight, but rallying around their party, the Progressive Workers Party [= AKEL], they have intensified their struggle. This heavy pressure by the popular masses has forced the rightist Ethnarchy [i.e. the Church of Cyprus] to proclaim a unionist plebiscite….; has forced it [i.e. the Church] to submit to AKEL…”.

So all was light: After Makarios II had re­fused self­governed for Cyprus, the Com­munists seized the chance to try to remove the Church from the leadership of the Enosis movement. Moreover, the future Archbishop Makarios III helped them by putting forward the idea of a plebiscite. And the Iron Curtain countries, of which Bulgaria was the mouth­piece in the Balkans, grabbed the chance to create an acute problem within the Western Alliance. For the Greek Civil War between the Government Army and the Communist guerrillas had come to an end only in August 1949; and for Communists, both Cypriot and European, the Enosis movement was a vehicle for them to re­enter into the political life of the Greek microcosm.

The point is, however, that the rôle of Makarios, metropolitan of Citium, was more than ambiguous: had the Communists been left alone in their UN memorandum propos­al, the whole plan of theirs would have been wrecked. As it was, it was he who pushed the Church to adopt a plebiscite initiative and mutatis mutandis to accept AKEL as a champion of the Enosis movement. And so the quasi­latent alliance between Makarios, future Archbishop and President of Cyprus, and the Communists sealed the fate of Cyprus politics for the worse. For it was un­der the aegis of the Autocephalous Church of Cyprus that AKEL would develop rapidly into a catalyst for the political life in the Eastern Mediterranean area.

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The plebiscite was held; and it was a vin­dication of the prognosis made by its organ­izers: the overwhelming majority of Greek­Cypriots voted for Enosis. Nonetheless, had the Communists not taken part in the “peaceful battle” of the plebiscite, it is doubtful whether the breathtaking majority of the “Nova Justiniana” Archbishop’s flock would have endorsed the Enosis option.
Even so, Makarios II reported the result to Sir Andrew Wright, Governor of the Island; and on 2 March, 1950, he sent him another letter which read as follows:

“We are in receipt of your letter… in reply to our document… reporting to Your Excellency and, through you, to the British Government, the result of the plebiscite con­ducted… on January 15th , 1950, and calling the Great Britain… to conform to the de­mand of the people of Cyprus… for union with their Mother Greece. We are sorry that by that reply the British Government, against every moral law and disrespectful of the principle of the peoples’ self­determina­tion and the Declaration of Human Rights, is disregarding the most just demand of the people of Cyprus to live free by uniting with their Mother Greece”...

This letter disregarded two major factors, namely the Turkish Cypriots and the interna­tional obligations of the United Kingdom. In point of fact, according to a secret agree­ment drawn up in May 1916 by representat­ives of the British and the French govern­ments, “His Majesty’s Government under­took never to enter negotiations with a view to the cession of Cyprus to third Power without the previous consent of the French Government”. Was that 1916 secret treaty still valid in the early 1950s? It is hard to say with certainty. Nevertheless, France was then clearly opposing any interference with the relations of non­self­governed territories and their administering Power; and given the international tension which was coming to a head in 1950, it is beyond doubt that, even if the UK government had then been willing to acquiesce in the Enosis demand, the union of the Island with Greece would have been difficult to achieve that time – on the grounds of the Western Block’s “common security”. And so, the only palpable out­come of the plebiscite agitation was that a Cypriot “embassy”, headed by Kyprianos, metropolitan of Kyrenia, deposited the docu­ments containing the results of the plebiscite at the UN Secretariat, in the United States. Nonetheless, the Turkish­Cypriots had already countered: in April of that same year an appeal signed by the Turkish National Party and other organizations representing the Turks of the Island was submitted to the United Nations. According to them, the uni­on of the Island with Greece was most likely to bring with it financial ruin, racial and so­cial disorder, and even “ideological civil war”, given that “one half of the Greeks of Cyprus” were “Communists”. The corollary was that Cyprus should remain under British administration – unless returned to Turkey, ex­sovereign Power and nearest neighbour of the Island. And so the United Nations turned out to be a major arena in the Cyprus struggles and conflicts to be endured. In retrospect, it was for the worst the Island was henceforth to be floundering in muddy waters.

Author: Dimitris Michalopoulos. Academic director, Historical Institute for studies on Eleutherios Veniselos and his Era, 2 Chr. Lada str.,GR-10561 Athens, Greece (e-mail: [email protected]). Dimitris Michalopoulos was born in Athens in 1952. He studied history in the University of Athens and in the École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales, inParis, where he obtained his doctorate in 1978. During the years 1980-1982 he served in the office ofCostantine Karamanlis, then President of the Hellenic Republic. Since 1982 he has been lecturer and since 1988 assistant professor in Diplomatic History and Greek Foreign Policy at the University of Salonika. From 1990 up to 2000 he was the director of the Museum of the City of Athens.
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Postby bilako22 » Thu May 08, 2008 12:07 am

Get Real! wrote:
bilako22 wrote:Give it a rest , real. The ottomans are not relevant to current Cyprus history .

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard on the forum… if it were not for the Ottoman invasion and occupation there wouldn’t be a TC community and thus a Cyprus Problem today!

We Cypriots had the opportunity in 1960 to establish an island of prosperity , one that was wasted due to Greek desire for Enosis.

So what did your "TRNC" school books tell you this time?

This had better be interesting because so far we've had so much hot air coming from Turkish Cypriots you could fill up the GoodYear airship several times over...


You are having a laugh , mate . how far back in history do you want to go ?
You Greeks were also brought to the island .
You guys messed up in 1960-63 and 1974 by your greedy Enosis behavior thereby causing generations of misery.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu May 08, 2008 12:17 am

bilako22 wrote:
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bilako22 wrote:Give it a rest , real. The ottomans are not relevant to current Cyprus history .

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard on the forum… if it were not for the Ottoman invasion and occupation there wouldn’t be a TC community and thus a Cyprus Problem today!

We Cypriots had the opportunity in 1960 to establish an island of prosperity , one that was wasted due to Greek desire for Enosis.

So what did your "TRNC" school books tell you this time?

This had better be interesting because so far we've had so much hot air coming from Turkish Cypriots you could fill up the GoodYear airship several times over...

You are having a laugh , mate . how far back in history do you want to go ? You Greeks were also brought to the island.

What makes you think I'm "Greek" barnacle brains?

You guys messed up in 1960-63 and 1974 by your greedy Enosis behavior thereby causing generations of misery.

Misery is what's been done to your brain by the Turkish education system. Explain EXACTLY how the GCs "messed up" in 1960...

Go on Einstein spill the beans...
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Postby Get Real! » Thu May 08, 2008 12:46 am

Talisker wrote:Been trying to find authoritative information on the "Referendum for ENOSIS". Will this do? Below is an extract taken from:

Thanks for all the hard work that must’ve gone into finding and posting this seemingly rare piece Talisker, although I couldn’t open the actual PDF for some reason... :?

I had no idea that it was the communists that were so into ENOSIS! I must say though, it does seem to look more like a petition then a referendum; was refusal of the proposal (plebiscite) recorded? One can only wonder…

The Turkish Cypriot reaction is hilarious:

in April of that same year an appeal signed by the Turkish National Party and other organizations representing the Turks of the Island was submitted to the United Nations. According to them, the uni¬on of the Island with Greece was most likely to bring with it financial ruin, racial and social disorder, and even “ideological civil war”, given that “one half of the Greeks of Cyprus” were “Communists”

Regards, GR.
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Postby Talisker » Thu May 08, 2008 1:06 am

Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:Been trying to find authoritative information on the "Referendum for ENOSIS". Will this do? Below is an extract taken from:

Thanks for all the hard work that must’ve gone into finding and posting this seemingly rare piece Talisker, although I couldn’t open the actual PDF for some reason... :?

I had no idea that it was the communists that were so into ENOSIS! I must say though, it does seem to look more like a petition then a referendum; was refusal of the proposal (plebiscite) recorded? One can only wonder…

The Turkish Cypriot reaction is hilarious:

in April of that same year an appeal signed by the Turkish National Party and other organizations representing the Turks of the Island was submitted to the United Nations. According to them, the uni¬on of the Island with Greece was most likely to bring with it financial ruin, racial and social disorder, and even “ideological civil war”, given that “one half of the Greeks of Cyprus” were “Communists”

Regards, GR.

Just found another good source, but it is a blog, and therefore possibly not as authoritative as the earlier posting I provided (shame the pdf won't open for you - maybe you can access directly? - I googled 'united nations cyprus 1950 plebiscite' and the source is second on the list).

This blog is a really good article as well, gives some more detail on the plebiscite, and also includes figures on how many voted, how it was administered, etc. You will also love the following:

Under these circumstances the Turkish Cypriots, who by 1946 numbered 80,544 and accounted for 17.89% of the island's population, responded by not taking part in the plebiscite, a very natural move on their part. It is, however, noteworthy that in certain isolated cases Turkish Cypriots not only voted but did so in favor of union with Greece. :lol:

http://hellenic-international-relations ... yprus.html
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