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[DT.]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

... and you think enforced repatriation is the answer?

Would you still forcibly repatriate someone who vacated a house formerly occupied by a GC and still wished to remain in Cyprus?

No, a sufficient bribe would mean they left Cyprus voluntarily. I recall that quite recently the UK government offered some sort of financial inducement for illegal immigrants in Britain to return home, I can't remember the details.

I know nothing about this scheme. If you can find some details you might post a link. My only observation is that it doesn't appear to be very succesful, just from the number of Cypriots living in UK. Is there a single Cypriot who has been bribed to return to Cyprus?

You have a lot of difficulty separating illegal immigrants with legal ones. The GC's and TC's in the UK are legal immigrants, and contribute on the whole to their adapted home.

Jerry highlights a UK policy against illegal immigrants as he has already specified. Since the ROC is the member state of the EU and te settlers have not gone through the proper immigration procedure of the government then they are deemed illegal. They have also been found to represent a war crime committed by Turkey.

[Jerry]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

... and you think enforced repatriation is the answer?

Would you still forcibly repatriate someone who vacated a house formerly occupied by a GC and still wished to remain in Cyprus?

No, a sufficient bribe would mean they left Cyprus voluntarily. I recall that quite recently the UK government offered some sort of financial inducement for illegal immigrants in Britain to return home, I can't remember the details.

I know nothing about this scheme. If you can find some details you might post a link. My only observation is that it doesn't appear to be very succesful, just from the number of Cypriots living in UK. Is there a single Cypriot who has been bribed to return to Cyprus?

Here's one link:- http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/wor ... 09139.html

I'm sure a search could find more.

[observer]

boomerang

With your first post I do not agree with term the "trnc" government allowed them, as all ECHR rulings indicate "turkey=fascist state" is the occupying force...

As to your question about FURTHER ethnic cleansing, it might be true...but here comes the but...As the property does not belong to them and it belongs to the deed holders, then rent must be paid for those properties...Failure to pay rent they come under a different rule with in the EU...You no pay, you get out of my house rule...

End of the day they lose either way you look at it...Might as well voluntarily move back...

In this particular instance it doesn't matter what you, the ECHR, or anyone else thinks. The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

You might wish to draw parallels with the Vichy government of Nazi Occupied France or the Quisling government of Nazi Occupied Norway, but I don't think that you would persuade any historian that they didn't exist.

The property issue is separate from the 'settler' issue, although intertwined. I have no objection to people getting their property back or suitable compensation if that is impractical. But the call for ejection of people who have lived on Cyprus for, in many cases, over 30 years, often accompanied by strong racist overtones, does strike me as wrong. They entered Cyprus with the approval of the government in force at the time. Some may choose to leave, but those who choose to remain should be allowed to do so.

[observer]

Jerry:

"Here's one link:- http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/wor ... 09139.html

I'm sure a search could find more."

Thanks. Very interesting.

[boomerang]

boomerang

With your first post I do not agree with term the "trnc" government allowed them, as all ECHR rulings indicate "turkey=fascist state" is the occupying force...

As to your question about FURTHER ethnic cleansing, it might be true...but here comes the but...As the property does not belong to them and it belongs to the deed holders, then rent must be paid for those properties...Failure to pay rent they come under a different rule with in the EU...You no pay, you get out of my house rule...

End of the day they lose either way you look at it...Might as well voluntarily move back...

In this particular instance it doesn't matter what you, the ECHR, or anyone else thinks. The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

You might wish to draw parallels with the Vichy government of Nazi Occupied France or the Quisling government of Nazi Occupied Norway, but I don't think that you would persuade any historian that they didn't exist.

The property issue is separate from the 'settler' issue, although intertwined. I have no objection to people getting their property back or suitable compensation if that is impractical. But the call for ejection of people who have lived on Cyprus for, in many cases, over 30 years, often accompanied by strong racist overtones, does strike me as wrong. They entered Cyprus with the approval of the government in force at the time. Some may choose to leave, but those who choose to remain should be allowed to do so.

So we agree then that they do not own the land...and if I want my land back and don't want to rent it?...what happens then?

[observer]

boomerang

So we agree then that they do not own the land...and if I want my land back and don't want to rent it?...what happens then?

In the context of an overall settlement, you get it.

In the interim, you might care to apply to the Immovable Properties Commission, who have the power to award restitution, compensation, or exchange. I don't suppose that appeals, but you'll find the law here.
http://www.mahkemeler.net/mahkeme-web-t ... 005ing.doc

[Lysimachos]

The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

In a galaxy farfaraway there is a government with existing real people. But listen earthling, we don't recognise it, and as far as earth politics go, it doesn't figure for nought! Hahaha!

[observer]

The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

In a galaxy farfaraway there is a government with existing real people. But listen earthling, we don't recognise it, and as far as earth politics go, it doesn't figure for nought! Hahaha!

Wishing it away doesn’t make it go away.

Ask Christofias who is negotiating with it.

[DT.]

The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

In a galaxy farfaraway there is a government with existing real people. But listen earthling, we don't recognise it, and as far as earth politics go, it doesn't figure for nought! Hahaha!

Wishing it away doesn’t make it go away.

Ask Christofias who is negotiating with it.

the leader of the turkish-cypriot community. Whats your point?

[observer]

The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

In a galaxy farfaraway there is a government with existing real people. But listen earthling, we don't recognise it, and as far as earth politics go, it doesn't figure for nought! Hahaha!

Wishing it away doesn’t make it go away.

Ask Christofias who is negotiating with it.

the leader of the turkish-cypriot community. Whats your point?

I thought it was clear.

Statement 1.
In this particular instance it doesn't matter what you, the ECHR, or anyone else thinks. The TRNC government does exist. It may not be recognised, it may be illegal, it might even be an agency of an occupation force, but it is the elected assembly of real people leading real lives, on real solid ground. It exists, and to deny it exists is fantasy.

Statement 2.
Wishing it away doesn't make it go away.