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[observer]

Perhaps you would see it more clearly if I remove all reference to race, creed, religion or place and post it as a universal racist’s charter with an invitation to fill in the blanks with the people of your choice.


In the case of _______ the _________ upholds the wish of the majority of _______ people for _________ to remain a _______ country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the ________ would halt all ________ immigration into _________ and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all ________ people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive ________ governments.


Enforced repatriation of people who have lived in a place for a long time clearly also runs against the spirit of the EU, which RoC has joined in name, but seems so often to have failed to join in spirit.

I draw your attention to: Council Directive 2003/109/EC of 25 November 2003 concerning the status of Non-EU Member Country nationals who are long-term residents.
You can read it here: http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l23034.htm

The preamble states: The European Union grants European resident status to Non-EU Member Country nationals who have resided legally and continuously within the territory of the Member States for five years. The Directive also approximates national legislation and practices regarding the terms for conferring resident status and lays down the conditions for residence in Member States other than the one which conferred resident status.

I think that GC extremists will find minimal support within the EU for enforced repatriation of settled communities, just as the British National Front find minimal support for repatriation of “settlers” in UK, or the equivalent nationalist parties in France, Germany etc find minimal support for enforced repatriation of their “settlers”.

DT's statement, "screw the settlers, all non-EU nationals need to have their cases examined one by one and unless asylum is warranted, should be expelled". which Nikitas and Oracle seemingly agree with, would (in my opinion) meet with the approval of the British National Front, and neo-Nazis throughout Europe.

[boomerang]

Perhaps you would see it more clearly if I remove all reference to race, creed, religion or place and post it as a universal racist’s charter with an invitation to fill in the blanks with the people of your choice.


In the case of _______ the _________ upholds the wish of the majority of _______ people for _________ to remain a _______ country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the ________ would halt all ________ immigration into _________ and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all ________ people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive ________ governments.


Enforced repatriation of people who have lived in a place for a long time clearly also runs against the spirit of the EU, which RoC has joined in name, but seems so often to have failed to join in spirit.

I draw your attention to: Council Directive 2003/109/EC of 25 November 2003 concerning the status of Non-EU Member Country nationals who are long-term residents.
You can read it here: http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l23034.htm

The preamble states: The European Union grants European resident status to Non-EU Member Country nationals who have resided legally and continuously within the territory of the Member States for five years. The Directive also approximates national legislation and practices regarding the terms for conferring resident status and lays down the conditions for residence in Member States other than the one which conferred resident status.

I think that GC extremists will find minimal support within the EU for enforced repatriation of settled communities, just as the British National Front find minimal support for repatriation of “settlers” in UK, or the equivalent nationalist parties in France, Germany etc find minimal support for enforced repatriation of their “settlers”.

DT's statement, "screw the settlers, all non-EU nationals need to have their cases examined one by one and unless asylum is warranted, should be expelled". which Nikitas and Oracle seemingly agree with, would (in my opinion) meet with the approval of the British National Front, and neo-Nazis throughout Europe.

The preamble states: The European Union grants European resident status to Non-EU Member Country nationals who have resided legally and continuously within the territory of the Member States for five years. The Directive also approximates national legislation and practices regarding the terms for conferring resident status and lays down the conditions for residence in Member States other than the one which conferred resident status.

And here is the answer to your question...Have these people contributed in any way to the member state?

As much as you would like too...I am afraid you can't have it both ways...

[observer]

Boomerang.

Of course I noticed the bit about "Non-EU Member Country nationals who have resided legally and continuously within the territory of the Member States for five years". But as RoC was not a member of the EU at the time most immigrants arrived, and since they did have permission from the TRNC government and its predecessors, RoC's jurisdiction not extending to the northern half of Cyprus, I think that the "Doctrine of Necessity", much loved by the RoC authorities, would cover the case. Plus, RoC would find it rather difficult to claim that they weren't in Cyprus at the time of Cyprus' accession to the EU, and at the same time claim that they were the real, legal government of the territory concerned.

Leaving aside the legal aspect, however, can you imagine the EU's reaction to the GC's request to "have just one more ethnic cleansing in Cyprus before we settle down to be good Europeans"?

[Jerry]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

[Oracle]

But isn't Turkey ethnically cleansing Anatolia right now by continuing to bring these settlers over to Cyprus?

Many of them are Kurds according to observer ... and we know how much Turkey would love to ethnically cleanse Kurds and Mountain Turks ... by the back door ... whilst at the same time colonise the EU ....by the back door ... thus killing two birds with one stone (amounting to a genocide, by TC statistics!)

[boomerang]

Boomerang.

Of course I noticed the bit about "Non-EU Member Country nationals who have resided legally and continuously within the territory of the Member States for five years". But as RoC was not a member of the EU at the time most immigrants arrived, and since they did have permission from the TRNC government and its predecessors, RoC's jurisdiction not extending to the northern half of Cyprus, I think that the "Doctrine of Necessity", much loved by the RoC authorities, would cover the case. Plus, RoC would find it rather difficult to claim that they weren't in Cyprus at the time of Cyprus' accession to the EU, and at the same time claim that they were the real, legal government of the territory concerned.

Leaving aside the legal aspect, however, can you imagine the EU's reaction to the GC's request to "have just one more ethnic cleansing in Cyprus before we settle down to be good Europeans"?

With your first post I do not agree with term the "trnc" government allowed them, as all ECHR rulings indicate "turkey=fascist state" is the occupying force...

As to your question about FURTHER ethnic cleansing, it might be true...but here comes the but...As the property does not belong to them and it belongs to the deed holders, then rent must be paid for those properties...Failure to pay rent they come under a different rule with in the EU...You no pay, you get out of my house rule...

End of the day they lose either way you look at it...Might as well voluntarily move back...

[observer]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

... and you think enforced repatriation is the answer?

Would you still forcibly repatriate someone who vacated a house formerly occupied by a GC and still wished to remain in Cyprus?

[Jerry]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

... and you think enforced repatriation is the answer?

Would you still forcibly repatriate someone who vacated a house formerly occupied by a GC and still wished to remain in Cyprus?

No, a sufficient bribe would mean they left Cyprus voluntarily. I recall that quite recently the UK government offered some sort of financial inducement for illegal immigrants in Britain to return home, I can't remember the details.

[observer]

But isn't Turkey ethnically cleansing Anatolia right now by continuing to bring these settlers over to Cyprus?

Many of them are Kurds according to observer ... and we know how much Turkey would love to ethnically cleanse Kurds and Mountain Turks ... by the back door ... whilst at the same time colonise the EU ....by the back door ... thus killing two birds with one stone (amounting to a genocide, by TC statistics!)

I continue to be surprised at how much you manage to spin from such little knowledge.

The number of Turkish citizens moving to Cyprus has declined to an almost imperceptible year-on-year number. Turkish citizens come to Cyprus as students, tourists and temporary workers requiring visas like citizens from any other country. They then leave when their visas expire.

There are some 6 million Turkish expatriate citizens living all over the globe. The greatest number moved to a new country in the late 60s and 70s to seek work. Why you think a small number needed to be brought to Cyprus (presumably by the Turkish government) yet so many found their own way to other places has always mystified me. These were simply people looking for work. They found it in Cyprus.

Your comment that Turkish people are colonising Europe by the back door (presumably via TRNC) is just plain silly when 4 million expatriate Turks already live in other European countries.

There are Kurds in TRNC. I see no significance in that. They too come to find work. According to the indispensible wikopedia, you will also find Kurds in Germany, France, Sweden, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, UK, Denmark, Greece, Canada and the USA. They have gone there to find work.

You seem to have a fixation about Kurds. Is there any reason for this?

[observer]

Many entered Cyprus with the bribe of free GC property, if Turkey bribed them again I'm sure many would return to the mainland. Turkey commited the crime, it should pay to put it right.

... and you think enforced repatriation is the answer?

Would you still forcibly repatriate someone who vacated a house formerly occupied by a GC and still wished to remain in Cyprus?

No, a sufficient bribe would mean they left Cyprus voluntarily. I recall that quite recently the UK government offered some sort of financial inducement for illegal immigrants in Britain to return home, I can't remember the details.

I know nothing about this scheme. If you can find some details you might post a link. My only observation is that it doesn't appear to be very succesful, just from the number of Cypriots living in UK. Is there a single Cypriot who has been bribed to return to Cyprus?