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[bilako22]

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

Say I agree with this. Would you agree with the 74 cleansing of GC's form north Cyprus as just that? Ethnc Cleansing? If not what would you call it?

I'm not sure if your first sentence is "Say! I agree with this!" indicating enthusiastic approval, or "Say, "I agree with this."", asking me to confirm that I agree with something I have already said. Perhaps you can clarify.

For what it's worth, I agree with what I said.

The term 'ethnic cleansing' is a recent one, perhaps not applicable to 1974. Ignoring its more recent introduction, however, I think that all involved used ethnic cleansing, as I understand it, in a much more limited way than simple sloganising would have it.

Ethnic cleansing, as understood by me, means using force to expel a race. The majority of people (both sides) fled because of what they feared might happen rather than because anyone said, "Go, or I will kill you". This makes them refugees, or in modern language (I think) internally displaced persons.

The first case of ethnic cleansing since World War II is precisely that carried out by Turkey in Cyprus in 1974.

And yes they did forcibly remove the GCs ... under threat of guns and deposition in coaches never to be seen again ...

Whereas the TCs were free to go or stay if they wished ..... and they are still free to come back to the south ..... and do!

Ever thought of becoming a stand-up comedian Oracle?

I prefer sitting down when I type ...

please be careful what you sit on , dear.

[Get Real!]

please be careful what you sit on , dear.

Are you MrFromNg by any chance?

[Oracle]

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

Say I agree with this. Would you agree with the 74 cleansing of GC's form north Cyprus as just that? Ethnc Cleansing? If not what would you call it?

I'm not sure if your first sentence is "Say! I agree with this!" indicating enthusiastic approval, or "Say, "I agree with this."", asking me to confirm that I agree with something I have already said. Perhaps you can clarify.

For what it's worth, I agree with what I said.

The term 'ethnic cleansing' is a recent one, perhaps not applicable to 1974. Ignoring its more recent introduction, however, I think that all involved used ethnic cleansing, as I understand it, in a much more limited way than simple sloganising would have it.

Ethnic cleansing, as understood by me, means using force to expel a race. The majority of people (both sides) fled because of what they feared might happen rather than because anyone said, "Go, or I will kill you". This makes them refugees, or in modern language (I think) internally displaced persons.

The first case of ethnic cleansing since World War II is precisely that carried out by Turkey in Cyprus in 1974.

And yes they did forcibly remove the GCs ... under threat of guns and deposition in coaches never to be seen again ...

Whereas the TCs were free to go or stay if they wished ..... and they are still free to come back to the south ..... and do!

Ever thought of becoming a stand-up comedian Oracle?

I prefer sitting down when I type ...

please be careful what you sit on , dear.

I usually sit on a chair ... but rest my feet on an obliging Ottoman

[DT.]

please be careful what you sit on , dear.

Are you MrFromNg by any chance?

I was just thinking that ...there's something funny about this geezer.

[Oracle]

Greek Cypriots want Turkish nationals off island

The leader of the Greek Cypriot administration has proposed limiting the number of people residing in the north of the island who are originally from Turkey to 50,000, the NTV news station reported on its Web site yesterday.

The report quoted Greek Cypriot leader Dimitris Christofias as saying that his administration is opposed to the presence of more than 50,000 people from Turkey on the island. Christofias’ comment was a response to an earlier statement from Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) President Mehmet Ali Talat that citizens of Turkey residing in Cyprus should not be part of any discussions over Cyprus. Stefanos Stefanu, a spokesperson for the Greek Cypriot government, claimed that after Turkey’s military intervention in 1974 the Turkish Cypriots had thousands of people from Turkey move to the island to change the demographics, adding that this was a “war crime.” He said those who moved from Turkey at some point have to leave the island.
The Greek side says there are more than 180,000 people from Turkey in the north. However, the number of people with origins in Turkey was 43,000 according to the last census in the north held in 2006.

06.05.2008

Today’s Zaman

[observer]

Nikitas

It is not only Oracle, I for one have made clear and definite posts to this effect. Settlers have no place in a modern state. The importation of settlers was a foolish policy established by Turkey. Many TCs, including politicians and commentators are also in favor of removing settlers.

No one is advocating violent expulsion or splitting families. Those who are married to Cypriots stay. The rest get compensated and leave. The compensation level should be such that it will allow them to invest in their place of origin and live well.

The reason for wanting settlers out is simple: it is ridiculous to allow settlers to stay while having no policy to attract back to Cyprus Cypriots who were forced to leave by circumstances of the past. As a Cypriot I feel insulted about the preoccupation with the settlers while no one gives a flying fuck about me and my plight. I was prevented from returning to CYprus after my studies because there was no work and I, as thousands of others, had to find work and made a life away from my home. Asking me to accept some settler as more deserving of living in Cyprus after a settlement is reached is adding insult to injury.

British National Front Official Website http://www.natfront.com/nfsop.html

In the case of Britain the National Front upholds the wish of the majority of British people for Britain to remain a white country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the National Front would halt all non-white immigration into Britain and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all coloured people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive NF governments.

[humanist]

Goooooo multiculturalism, it'll be nice to get a nice pad thai in Cyprus for lunch :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) yum!

[Oracle]

Nikitas

It is not only Oracle, I for one have made clear and definite posts to this effect. Settlers have no place in a modern state. The importation of settlers was a foolish policy established by Turkey. Many TCs, including politicians and commentators are also in favor of removing settlers.

No one is advocating violent expulsion or splitting families. Those who are married to Cypriots stay. The rest get compensated and leave. The compensation level should be such that it will allow them to invest in their place of origin and live well.

The reason for wanting settlers out is simple: it is ridiculous to allow settlers to stay while having no policy to attract back to Cyprus Cypriots who were forced to leave by circumstances of the past. As a Cypriot I feel insulted about the preoccupation with the settlers while no one gives a flying fuck about me and my plight. I was prevented from returning to CYprus after my studies because there was no work and I, as thousands of others, had to find work and made a life away from my home. Asking me to accept some settler as more deserving of living in Cyprus after a settlement is reached is adding insult to injury.

British National Front Official Website http://www.natfront.com/nfsop.html

In the case of Britain the National Front upholds the wish of the majority of British people for Britain to remain a white country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the National Front would halt all non-white immigration into Britain and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all coloured people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive NF governments.

Observer, you are an extremist nationalist Turk intent on making out removal of illegal settlers is the same as the desire to have a country homogeneous.

You are clearly employed to carry out phase 2 of the Turkish colonisation plan.

Phase One was to bring them here ... Phase Two is to make out anyone proclaiming they should be repatriated is racist ....

Well I have news for you blind observer .... the whole World is wise to Turks and you will be asked to take your illegal settlers with you no matter what "race", creed, colour or flavour they come as ... they are the pawns of your expansionist colonisation of the EU by the back door!

[Oracle]

Nikitas

It is not only Oracle, I for one have made clear and definite posts to this effect. Settlers have no place in a modern state. The importation of settlers was a foolish policy established by Turkey. Many TCs, including politicians and commentators are also in favor of removing settlers.

No one is advocating violent expulsion or splitting families. Those who are married to Cypriots stay. The rest get compensated and leave. The compensation level should be such that it will allow them to invest in their place of origin and live well.

The reason for wanting settlers out is simple: it is ridiculous to allow settlers to stay while having no policy to attract back to Cyprus Cypriots who were forced to leave by circumstances of the past. As a Cypriot I feel insulted about the preoccupation with the settlers while no one gives a flying fuck about me and my plight. I was prevented from returning to CYprus after my studies because there was no work and I, as thousands of others, had to find work and made a life away from my home. Asking me to accept some settler as more deserving of living in Cyprus after a settlement is reached is adding insult to injury.

British National Front Official Website http://www.natfront.com/nfsop.html

In the case of Britain the National Front upholds the wish of the majority of British people for Britain to remain a white country, with customs and a culture which have been developed to suit our character. Consequently the National Front would halt all non-white immigration into Britain and introduce a policy of phased and humane repatriation of all coloured people currently resident here. Such a policy would be expected to extend over 10-15 years and its completion would thus depend on the recurrent election of successive NF governments.

Observer, you are an extremist nationalist Turk intent on making out removal of illegal settlers is the same as the desire to have a country homogeneous.

You are clearly employed to carry out phase 2 of the Turkish colonisation plan.

Phase One was to bring them here ... Phase Two is to make out anyone proclaiming they should be repatriated is racist ....

Well I have news for you blind observer .... the whole World is wise to Turks and you will be asked to take your illegal settlers with you no matter what "race", creed, colour or flavour they come as ... they are the pawns of your expansionist colonisation of the EU by the back door!

......And what's more blind observer ... have a look at this courtesy of Boomerang ...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17462

United Cyprus demands termination of settling in occupied areas

06/05/2008

Turkish Cypriot political party ''United Cyprus'' is demanding the termination of settling in the Turkish occupied areas, saying it is a war crime and alters the demographic character of the Turkish Cypriot community.

Party member Abdullah Korkmazhan says in a written statement that the demand of Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat for all the Turkish settlers to remain on the island after a Cyprus settlement is the worst action against the Turkish Cypriots.

He notes that the transfer of illegal population from Turkey to the occupied areas alters the demographic character of the Turkish Cypriot community and renders the Turkish Cypriots a minority.

Korkmazhan also points out the necessity for a solution that will safeguard the human rights and freedoms of all Cypriots and terminate rather than legitimise settling.

He furthermore notes that the presence of Turkish Cypriots violates international law and constitutes a war crime.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974, when Turkey invaded and occupied its northern third.

http://www.financialmirror.com/more_new ... t=Politics [/b]

[Nikitas]

DT said above:

"screw the settlers, all non-EU nationals need to have their cases examined one by one and unless asylum is warranted, should be expelled."

I Agree and if that makes me a racist in the eyes of Observer and the like then fine, I am.

If you cannot see the difference between an immigrant and a settler you are deliberately confusing the issue.

Settlers staying means trouble down the road between TCs and settlers and the GCs taking the blame. Outright partition is the better plan in that case.

And how about an oath of allegiance as in the USA so we have a standard of who is and who is not a Cypriot!