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[Oracle]

Strange that you have not read the Akritas Plan, co-written by your last president, has it has appeared on the Forum many times and is frequently referred to. One section will be sufficient:

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.

Observer ... please tell me how the "Akritas" plan fits into the present day RoC / EU government of today's Cyprus?

Is this what you drum up as "evidence" that GCs discriminate against Sri Lankans etc which you listed a few posts above?

You sure are a mixed-up kid

[observer]

...and who could have written this?

On the one hand we have the Hellenic inspired memes of Arts, Poetry, Painting, Pottery, Peace, philosophy, Mathematics, Democracy, Writing, Science ... you guessed it ... the GCs

And on the other hand, we have the :

Land-grabbing, selfish, lazy, heathen, uneducated Barbarians ..... you guessed it ... the Turk-TCs ....

So what of these two cultures could be united, merged, mitigated, annihilated, expounded ...... in order to gain the Perfect Cypriot ...

[Oracle]

...and who could have written this?

On the one hand we have the Hellenic inspired memes of Arts, Poetry, Painting, Pottery, Peace, philosophy, Mathematics, Democracy, Writing, Science ... you guessed it ... the GCs

And on the other hand, we have the :

Land-grabbing, selfish, lazy, heathen, uneducated Barbarians ..... you guessed it ... the Turk-TCs ....

So what of these two cultures could be united, merged, mitigated, annihilated, expounded ...... in order to gain the Perfect Cypriot ...

That's my British Education coming out ....

First the kick and then the kiss ..... you reduce an argument to its elements than find a cohesive way to pull it together again.

It's called debate ... you should practice that instead of simply discriminating. It does however require the exercising of Grey Matter, so you may wish to increase your consumption of oily fish

[observer]

Strange that you have not read the Akritas Plan, co-written by your last president, has it has appeared on the Forum many times and is frequently referred to. One section will be sufficient:

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.

Observer ... please tell me how the "Akritas" plan fits into the present day RoC / EU government of today's Cyprus?

Is this what you drum up as "evidence" that GCs discriminate against Sri Lankans etc which you listed a few posts above?

You sure are a mixed-up kid

No, It was "drummed up" as evidence that GCs were discriminatory. Having shown that they are you now move the goal posts.

Oh... thanks for the "kid" bit. Many years since I've been called that.

[observer]

...and who could have written this?

On the one hand we have the Hellenic inspired memes of Arts, Poetry, Painting, Pottery, Peace, philosophy, Mathematics, Democracy, Writing, Science ... you guessed it ... the GCs

And on the other hand, we have the :

Land-grabbing, selfish, lazy, heathen, uneducated Barbarians ..... you guessed it ... the Turk-TCs ....

So what of these two cultures could be united, merged, mitigated, annihilated, expounded ...... in order to gain the Perfect Cypriot ...

That's my British Education coming out ....

First the kick and then the kiss ..... you reduce an argument to its elements than find a cohesive way to pull it together again.

It's called debate ... you should practice that instead of simply discriminating. It does however require the exercising of Grey Matter, so you may wish to increase your consumption of oily fish

No, it's called racism.

The rest of your addition is called sophistry, or in common English, ducking and weaving.

[Oracle]

...and who could have written this?

On the one hand we have the Hellenic inspired memes of Arts, Poetry, Painting, Pottery, Peace, philosophy, Mathematics, Democracy, Writing, Science ... you guessed it ... the GCs

And on the other hand, we have the :

Land-grabbing, selfish, lazy, heathen, uneducated Barbarians ..... you guessed it ... the Turk-TCs ....

So what of these two cultures could be united, merged, mitigated, annihilated, expounded ...... in order to gain the Perfect Cypriot ...

That's my British Education coming out ....

First the kick and then the kiss ..... you reduce an argument to its elements than find a cohesive way to pull it together again.

It's called debate ... you should practice that instead of simply discriminating. It does however require the exercising of Grey Matter, so you may wish to increase your consumption of oily fish

No, it's called racism.

The rest of your addition is called sophistry, or in common English, ducking and weaving.

So you who endorses the ethnic cleansing of a nation from their homes, is calling me a racist for asking the question which cultural elements can we put together to obtain the Perfect Cypriot ...

And may I add how often you resort to personal discrimination when you have not been able to substantiate your claims such as that Cyprus practices discrimination against the Sri Lankans etc.

Clearly you do not have the capacity to capture reasoned arguments to find a solution, and want to discriminate for ever more in your "Turkish Racist Nation of Cyprus".

May I suggest you by-pass the oily fish and go straight for the concentrated Omega 3/6/9 capsules!

[observer]

So you who endorses the ethnic cleansing of a nation from their homes, is calling me a racist for asking the question which cultural elements can we put together to obtain the Perfect Cypriot ...

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

And may I add how often you resort to personal discrimination when you have not been able to substantiate your claims such as that Cyprus practices discrimination against the Sri Lankans etc.

Clearly you do not have the capacity to capture reasoned arguments to find a solution, and want to discriminate for ever more in your "Turkish Racist Nation of Cyprus".

I only quoted you. I made no personal comment, allowing others to judge. When you insisted it was a debate, I pointed out that the statement was racist. I made no comment on yourself.

Not avoiding the question, but my PC crashed. Here is an admitedly selective quote from a report from a report released two weeks ago. You can read the whole nws item here:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

Torture report puts police in the spotlight

THE COUNCIL of Europe has warned Cyprus it needs to do more to stamp out ill-treatment of detainees in police custody after a visit by a special committee on torture received many “complaints of ill-treatment” in police custody, some of which “was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture”.

“The forms of ill-treatment alleged consisted in the main of slaps, kicks and punches to the head and body, including the genitals, with the detained person sometimes undressed and/or handcuffed. Allegations of ill-treatment also included the banging of heads on a desk, blows with batons or other objects and violence of a sexual nature.

“In a few cases, the ill-treatment alleged was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture.”

The report added: “The risk of ill-treatment appeared to be particularly high in respect of foreign nationals, the conditions under which many of them were being detained were entirely unacceptable and could, in some cases, be regarded as inhuman and degrading.”

The Cyprus government sign lots of things that put them in a good light, but the implimentation is weak. The old Soviet constitution was a model of liberality. It's implimentation was not.

The difference between what your government say or sign up to, and what happens in practice, is the principal reason why it is a rare TC that wishes to be governed by a GC government.

[DT.]

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

Say I agree with this. Would you agree with the 74 cleansing of GC's form north Cyprus as just that? Ethnc Cleansing? If not what would you call it?

[Oracle]

So you who endorses the ethnic cleansing of a nation from their homes, is calling me a racist for asking the question which cultural elements can we put together to obtain the Perfect Cypriot ...

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

And may I add how often you resort to personal discrimination when you have not been able to substantiate your claims such as that Cyprus practices discrimination against the Sri Lankans etc.

Clearly you do not have the capacity to capture reasoned arguments to find a solution, and want to discriminate for ever more in your "Turkish Racist Nation of Cyprus".

I only quoted you. I made no personal comment, allowing others to judge. When you insisted it was a debate, I pointed out that the statement was racist. I made no comment on yourself.

Not avoiding the question, but my PC crashed. Here is an admitedly selective quote from a report from a report released two weeks ago. You can read the whole nws item here:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

Torture report puts police in the spotlight

THE COUNCIL of Europe has warned Cyprus it needs to do more to stamp out ill-treatment of detainees in police custody after a visit by a special committee on torture received many “complaints of ill-treatment” in police custody, some of which “was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture”.

“The forms of ill-treatment alleged consisted in the main of slaps, kicks and punches to the head and body, including the genitals, with the detained person sometimes undressed and/or handcuffed. Allegations of ill-treatment also included the banging of heads on a desk, blows with batons or other objects and violence of a sexual nature.

“In a few cases, the ill-treatment alleged was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture.”

The report added: “The risk of ill-treatment appeared to be particularly high in respect of foreign nationals, the conditions under which many of them were being detained were entirely unacceptable and could, in some cases, be regarded as inhuman and degrading.”

The Cyprus government sign lots of things that put them in a good light, but the implimentation is weak. The old Soviet constitution was a model of liberality. It's implimentation was not.

The difference between what your government say or sign up to, and what happens in practice, is the principal reason why it is a rare TC that wishes to be governed by a GC government.

Futile attempts at diverting attention from the real most mighty perpetrator of racism, ethnic cleansing and genocide, which undeniably by all major authorities ... which does not include you, observer ... is Turkey and its people ...... and millions of Kurds, Armenians (such as are left) etc will agree with me and not you.

[observer]

Yes, your comments were racist. And you're the one who is advocating ethnic cleansing now by demanding that Turkish people who have arrived in Cyprus since 1974 be removed.

Say I agree with this. Would you agree with the 74 cleansing of GC's form north Cyprus as just that? Ethnc Cleansing? If not what would you call it?

I'm not sure if your first sentence is "Say! I agree with this!" indicating enthusiastic approval, or "Say, "I agree with this."", asking me to confirm that I agree with something I have already said. Perhaps you can clarify.

For what it's worth, I agree with what I said.

The term 'ethnic cleansing' is a recent one, perhaps not applicable to 1974. Ignoring its more recent introduction, however, I think that all involved used ethnic cleansing, as I understand it, in a much more limited way than simple sloganising would have it.

Ethnic cleansing, as understood by me, means using force to expel a race. The majority of people (both sides) fled because of what they feared might happen rather than because anyone said, "Go, or I will kill you". This makes them refugees, or in modern language (I think) internally displaced persons.