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[Talisker]

Since 1974 until joining the EU did GCs feel more isolated than the TCs? After all, the TCs had a secure relationship with their 'motherland' Turkey, whereas the GCs realised that they could not always rely on their natural ally, Greece, for support in their most pressing hour of need. Now they are in the EU perhaps they don't need that support.

[kurupetos]

Since 1974 until joining the EU did GCs feel more isolated than the TCs? After all, the TCs had a secure relationship with their 'motherland' Turkey, whereas the GCs realised that they could not always rely on their natural ally, Greece, for support in their most pressing hour of need. Now they are in the EU perhaps they don't need that support.

Greece is a weak country (at least that's the picture I get). Every year there are dozens of turkish fighter planes and ships violating the greek waters in the aegean and they do nothing. They are also afraid to extract their own oil in the Aegean because they are afraid of Turkey's Casus Belli. They lost their case with the naming of FYROM, they have one million Albanians causing all kinds of trouble, etc. etc... If they ever solve their internal problems then they may help the GCs. I forgot to mention that many greeks (politicians or not) dont give a shit about Cyprus and GCs anyway.

[Talisker]

Since 1974 until joining the EU did GCs feel more isolated than the TCs? After all, the TCs had a secure relationship with their 'motherland' Turkey, whereas the GCs realised that they could not always rely on their natural ally, Greece, for support in their most pressing hour of need. Now they are in the EU perhaps they don't need that support.

Greece is a weak country (at least that's the picture I get). Every year there are dozens of turkish fighter planes and ships violating the greek waters in the aegean and they do nothing. They are also afraid to extract their own oil in the Aegean because they are afraid of Turkey's Casus Belli. They lost their case with the naming of FYROM, they have one million Albanians causing all kinds of trouble, etc. etc... If they ever solve their internal problems then they may help the GCs. I forgot to mention that many greeks (politicians or not) dont give a shit about Cyprus and GCs anyway.

Yes, I agree Greece does not have her problems to seek. And you've confirmed my impressions regarding attitudes of Greeks to Cyprus and the CyProb.

[Eric dayi]

So why do GC`s blame TC`s for being so fond of their mother land, when they were very much so themselves not that long ago?

Shah, I think the difference is that Turkey represents our not too distant Ottoman invaders. We hoped the TCs (as integrated Cypriots) would side with the GCs and not the old invaders ... represented by Turkey.

Greece never represented an "invasion", not even with the attempted coup.

What were the Greek soldiers doing in Cyprus in 1963 and 1964 than, having a nice holiday?

[Eric dayi]

First, you need to get your facts right. In 1950 under Makarios II and not Makarios III (the later president), the Orthodox Church conducted a referendum of church-goers to present to the British as evidence against colonialism. It was NOT an island-wide democratic referendum of all citizens so let’s clear that one up.

It's funny GR that you always come up with something completely different to what other GCs are claiming and making them look stupid and proving them as liars.

It has been claimed (I suppose tit makes better propaganda for the GCs) by other GCs that 96% of all GCs voted for ENOSIS without any mention of "Church goers only", you are the only one who ever mentioned this so far.

So the question again is, who is lying, you or the other GCs?

[miltiades]

This Plonker , the so called "Eric" so desperate to keep his idiotic thread open "" Eric Dayi is Eric...., ""it is now locked !!!
As a result of the idiot staying up half the night posting childish stupid insults. He started getting desperate for being ignored ,( the ugly plonker ), he posted consecutively , in case he doesn't understand , that is one post after another , starting at 2.30am GMT , 2.44 , 2.46 , 2.48 , 2.51 , 2.58 , 3.02 , and 3.15 am In all 8 Posts one after the other.
The guy is now being ceremoniously awarded the title of SERIAL PLONKER !!

[Jerry]

Since 1974 until joining the EU did GCs feel more isolated than the TCs? After all, the TCs had a secure relationship with their 'motherland' Turkey, whereas the GCs realised that they could not always rely on their natural ally, Greece, for support in their most pressing hour of need. Now they are in the EU perhaps they don't need that support.

I seem to recall that Greece was very involved in getting Cyprus into the EU but then perhaps they were just passing the buck.

[Eric dayi]

This Plonker , the so called "Eric" so desperate to keep his idiotic thread open "" Eric Dayi is Eric...., ""it is now locked !!!
As a result of the idiot staying up half the night posting childish stupid insults. He started getting desperate for being ignored ,( the ugly plonker ), he posted consecutively , in case he doesn't understand , that is one post after another , starting at 2.30am GMT , 2.44 , 2.46 , 2.48 , 2.51 , 2.58 , 3.02 , and 3.15 am In all 8 Posts one after the other.
The guy is now being ceremoniously awarded the title of SERIAL PLONKER !!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH....you actually took the time to search, count
and record the time of my postings.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...that's what happens to bored stiff "businessman" with a lot of time on their hands and no customers to serve.


BTW, my last posting was at 1.06, anyone who have their pc time set correctly can see that but not a drunken senile old git like you.

[askimwos]

Just to answer the initial question...Yes, GCs learnt the hard way that relying on Greece was not in their benefit. Cyprus is a rich island in terms of resources, location, manpower and has proved that it can manage itself better as an independent country. GCs despite all the setback suffered with the Turkish invation managed to rebuild the country and enjoy a much better quality of life that the average Greek mainlander. The overwhelming majority of GCs when asked what they would choose between an independent Cyprus and Enosis with Greece would without hesitation choose the first. Afterall its a question of one being master of his country or a mere province of Greece.
TCs unfortunately have not yet realised that their interests are better served in a truly United and BBF Cyprus. The less the degree of dependence on the motherlands the better the prospects of development. I can understand this because its hard to convince a person that is under occupation himself that without a protector he would have a better life. The same happened in the 50's and 60's with GCs - Independence was new to them, they have been under British Occupation for almost a century and they believed that with Greece as a protector they would be better off. I think it all comes doen to selfconfidence - the GCs in 1974 had to swim and they swam - the TCs have never had their chance to prove first to themselves that they do not need their motherland in order to prosper.

[miltiades]

What an intellectual genius : 8 consecutive posts full of crap and here is what the incomparable Plonker has to say :: """"MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH....you actually took the time to search, count
and record the time of my postings.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...!!!!