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[Nikitas]

"How many mosques are there in Athens? It seems that Greeks prefer to prevent the construction of mosques in areas of need . What is worse , converting unused mosques into churches or preventing mosques being built in areas of large Moslem populations?"

i DEFY YOU TO SHOW EVEN ONE Mosque converted to a church in Greece. Such an act goes against the fundamentals of the Orthodox faith and would never be consecrated by any priest.

Athens has an old Mosque in the center which is unused. A new one is being built to serve the large immigrant community which came in the 90s and later.

In Greece as a whole there a plenty of Mosques to serve the 150 000 Moslem citizens, mostly in the northern towns of Komotini and Xanthi and surrounding areas.

[bilako22]

"How many mosques are there in Athens? It seems that Greeks prefer to prevent the construction of mosques in areas of need . What is worse , converting unused mosques into churches or preventing mosques being built in areas of large Moslem populations?"

i DEFY YOU TO SHOW EVEN ONE Mosque converted to a church in Greece. Such an act goes against the fundamentals of the Orthodox faith and would never be consecrated by any priest.

Athens has an old Mosque in the center which is unused. A new one is being built to serve the large immigrant community which came in the 90s and later.

In Greece as a whole there a plenty of Mosques to serve the 150 000 Moslem citizens, mostly in the northern towns of Komotini and Xanthi and surrounding areas.

One new mosque ? Do you know how much effort it took to make the authorities accept this? The Moslem people in the north prefer to called Turks.

[DT.]

"How many mosques are there in Athens? It seems that Greeks prefer to prevent the construction of mosques in areas of need . What is worse , converting unused mosques into churches or preventing mosques being built in areas of large Moslem populations?"

i DEFY YOU TO SHOW EVEN ONE Mosque converted to a church in Greece. Such an act goes against the fundamentals of the Orthodox faith and would never be consecrated by any priest.

Athens has an old Mosque in the center which is unused. A new one is being built to serve the large immigrant community which came in the 90s and later.

In Greece as a whole there a plenty of Mosques to serve the 150 000 Moslem citizens, mostly in the northern towns of Komotini and Xanthi and surrounding areas.

One new mosque ? Do you know how much effort it took to make the authorities accept this? The Moslem people in the north prefer to called Turks.

Why are they Turks? They are Greek citizens. Just happen to be muslim.

[Nikitas]

Some are Turks and so define themselves. But there are also Pomaks, Rom who are Moslems, and others who are Moslems but do not define themselves as Turks. I have been there several times and know first hand what is what and who is who.

As for the Mosque in Athens the delay is not solely the responsibility of the government but also of the various communities. People of different ethnic origins are not as willing as you think to mix with others simply because of a common religion.

[repulsewarrior]

Identity; indivdual and/or person.

[bilako22]

"How many mosques are there in Athens? It seems that Greeks prefer to prevent the construction of mosques in areas of need . What is worse , converting unused mosques into churches or preventing mosques being built in areas of large Moslem populations?"

i DEFY YOU TO SHOW EVEN ONE Mosque converted to a church in Greece. Such an act goes against the fundamentals of the Orthodox faith and would never be consecrated by any priest.

Athens has an old Mosque in the center which is unused. A new one is being built to serve the large immigrant community which came in the 90s and later.

In Greece as a whole there a plenty of Mosques to serve the 150 000 Moslem citizens, mostly in the northern towns of Komotini and Xanthi and surrounding areas.

One new mosque ? Do you know how much effort it took to make the authorities accept this? The Moslem people in the north prefer to called Turks.

Why are they Turks? They are Greek citizens. Just happen to be muslim.

Of course. They are Greek citizens who speak Turkish , are Moslem and also regard themselves as Ethnically Turkish.

[RAFAELLA]

VP, where are you?
I answered your question and i'm looking forward to receiving your answers for my questions placed at my last post.

[Viewpoint]

Will it include any pictures of destroyed mosques in destroyed TC villages in 1963, ho I forgot theres nothing left to take pictures of.

Someone would expect a serious answer to this topic but the above answer coming from you VP it's no surprise.
Instead of condemning this huge destruction you prefer to hide behind your little finger.

Isn't it a blessing that you come from a country with a history of thousands of years? Doesn't this make you proud? ...but how proud are you when your own history and culture is being destroyed?

The fact that you live in a place where history and culture is systematically destroyed by the blessings of your leaders it only can cause sadness. Sadness due to the fact that you failed as human beings to respect the history and culture of your own country and the religion of your own compatriots.
Your systematic attempts to annihilate anything Greek or Christian it only makes you liable to the whole world. And we are not the ones who are exposing themselves but you ...and I must say you are doing a great job, unfortunately.

Why destroy a building that is no longer used when it came become a much-used Mosque? Ayo Sophia is a lovely example , until it became a popular museum.

Yes, why not?! Good idea bilako.
Gcs should start turning the mosques in the free areas into churches, mortuaries, stables etc.
Don't you thing they'll be more usefull?

Answer the question Rafella, any desecration of religious buildings is abominable but what I am trying to say is if you live in glass houses you should not throw stones, if we are guilty then you much share this guilt as you carried such abominable acts well before us, but ho no you choose to ignore these facts as it does not suit your aim to expose the evil TCs.

Better to convert mosques inti churches which are also houses of worship to God and then have the option to convert them back than have them destroyed, removes from the face of the earth leaving no evidence to be accused of such barbaric acts.

I do not hide behind my little finger VP and I do not feel that I live in a glass house.

Any destruction of holy places and disrespect to someone’s religion is unacceptable for me. The fact that mosques were destroyed during intercommunal troubles is again unacceptable but I believe at that time, under those circumstances, things were out of control and a lot of destructions happened from both sides. But I didn’t see you criticizing your own acts. Your systematic attempt to show your ruthless hate and disrespect to our churches has no limits. And you say that Gcs destroyed mosques back in the 60’s right? and as a result of what happen in the 60’s you took the decision to use a church as a mortuary in 2008! How civilized, isn’t it VP?!
And, what about the Armenian monastery Sourp Magar?, what about Maronite churches? Why they’ve been looted and vandalized VP?

..and are you serious VP? Why convert mosques into churches and then have the option to convert them back? Why would we do that? We are not playing the mosque–church game here VP, we have our own churches and we respect your mosques which we have them well preserved since the CyR gov is looking after them …but you, what have you done to preserve our churches? Our ancestors’ graves? Do you feel comfortable as a human being to see a holy place turned into a mortuary? Do you feel comfortable as a human being to see the bones of our ancestors out of the graves thrown here and there in the cemeteries?

…Don’t ask me to share your quilt with you VP, the quilt is all yours. On the contrary, I feel proud that we respected and preserved your holy places after ‘74. It shows that we do respect your religion and our country’s history and culture.

So, finally, from your sayings you agree to what is happening our churches, correct? You agree to have our churches used as mortuaries, stables etc, right?

I have highlighted and enlargened your double standards excusing your own acts of destruction yet continuing to condemn ours. The fact that these holy places have been destroyed or ransacked is unexcuseable and we accept our share of the blame but the difference which you quite clearly are avoiding or just playing dumb is that you erased our mosques while all we did was use them in another text (never heard or seen mortuary) where we can and have easily converted them back to their former glory, can you not see and acknowledge the difference, you excuse your own sins and hypocritically try to highlight others. The big difference is you have restored those mosques that remain what about those that you have destroyed or in other words erased the evidence? You clearly live in a glass house the sad fact 's you dont know it and you continue to throw bricks at others, guilt is just as much maybe even more on your door step as it is mine the day you acknowledge this is the day you will be a better person.

[Viewpoint]

...if we are talking about churches and mosques, visit teke if you love beauty and myth, it lives today as it has been from so long ago and we are all the better for it. never mind Athens, or do you mean to say that the closure of monestaries in Turkey is the blame? lacking the honesty VP i expect from you, you come at me like a tame book. needless to say that some churches would be respectfully used in praise to our same God. and there is no sin in giving shelter to the sheep in the cold winter storm...but what it seems to me that you are saying is that it is ok to tear down mosques, and it is ok as well for churches to be torn down too.

i am not asking you to be the whole Turkish Population, or even the representative of some Turkish Cypriot population, while i reread your post to figure an answer i can only say you read alot into what you think i'm thinking...the words we have written speak for themselves.

i think camus would be appalled at you, but you could be a hero in his book. ..extistential, but still dogmatic.

You have it wrong repulse,

GCs tear down/demolish/erase buildings

TCs reuse/convert buildings

Which of the above is more acceptable having a building to convert back to its former glory or having no building at all?

[DT.]

...if we are talking about churches and mosques, visit teke if you love beauty and myth, it lives today as it has been from so long ago and we are all the better for it. never mind Athens, or do you mean to say that the closure of monestaries in Turkey is the blame? lacking the honesty VP i expect from you, you come at me like a tame book. needless to say that some churches would be respectfully used in praise to our same God. and there is no sin in giving shelter to the sheep in the cold winter storm...but what it seems to me that you are saying is that it is ok to tear down mosques, and it is ok as well for churches to be torn down too.

i am not asking you to be the whole Turkish Population, or even the representative of some Turkish Cypriot population, while i reread your post to figure an answer i can only say you read alot into what you think i'm thinking...the words we have written speak for themselves.

i think camus would be appalled at you, but you could be a hero in his book. ..extistential, but still dogmatic.

You have it wrong repulse,

GCs tear down/demolish/erase buildings

TCs reuse/convert buildings

Which of the above is more acceptable having a building to convert back to its former glory or having no building at all?

I'm sincerely curious. Which mosques did the GC's tear down VP?