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Postby garbitsch » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:42 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:
Insan wrote: The aim of the plan is to degrade TCs to a minority status


Yeah right. The 18% is equal with the 82% so the aim of the plan was to degrade you from your equal status to that of a minority status.Too many poems they taught you.Boys and girls let me hear the poem once again:

The Gcs want to degrade the 18% minority into a minority status!!

Come on! Once more:

The Gcs want to degrade the 18% minority into a minority status!!

Very good.No go home and write an essay tittled "How to equalise the 18% with the 82%". Anyone who claims the 18% is not equal with the 82% gets an F.


Well done!! And your attitude will only help the continuation of the existence of TRNC and partition!!! This plan would unify the island with Greece and the Turkish Cypriots would be taken every kind of rights. From one of the two communities of Cyprus, they would become "Muslim Greeks" of Hellenic Republic. Keep going! And we will keep kissing and hugging you! Your satire will only benefit the ones like you, which constitute a very small number of people. Don't expect any kind of reasonable reply for your discusting posts. Well done!!!
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Postby insan » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:20 pm

The only way to deal with this that I can see is to have a federal solution, with two states each largely running their own affairs, but having an equal and joint voice in a limited number of areas such as defence, foreign affairs, some areas of tax etc.


Cannedmoose, political equality is needed in all areas not just a limited number of areas. This is the only way forward for a genuine partnership and cooperation. Neither communities have anything to lose by having political equality as it is envisaged in Annan 5. If GC community afraid of the will of GC community will be blocked by TC community under a politically equal status; TC community also has the same fear. Having a politically equal status with GC community does not elliminate the fears of TC community of being blocked by GC community on some legislative matters.


On the other hand you talk about political equality of TC community in a limited number of areas. You want to limit the legislative power of TC community and expand the legislative power of GC community in many areas. what kind of political equality of two communities is this? You give full legislative power to GC community in all areas; on the other hand you give TC community a political equality in a limited number of areas. Let me name it: A so-called special minority status for TC community in a GC state. Why do you want to be the sole master of some matters which you think TC community should never have a voice? I realized that the GCs particularly want to take full control of the economy of Cyprus. Having full control on economic matters means having full control of the country. We all know that in capitalist world everything revolves around money. Take control of the money; take control of the people.

Furthermore, let's assume TCs accepted a political equality in a limited number of areas. If you think that TCs are evils that will block the innocent, goodwillingly decisions of GC community; they will be able to block it in those some matters that would be granted for them. It's illogical to think, TCs can block the decisions of GC community in some areas but TCs shouldn't block the decisions of GC community in some other areas; for instance economy...
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:30 pm

wrote: Have you read it your self? Have you red a non-censored version of it? If you have a link, please provide it. Of course not the "TRNC" website version.


Frankly speaking the version I have saved in my computer is the "trnc" version.Was downloaded from
http://www.trncgov.com/history_13.htm

It's about 5 pages long. Still however there is nothing in there supporting the arguments of Insan or Bananiot....

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I did notice with great interest that you did not refute the fact their either your father or your big brother or your uncle were actually TMT terrorists! Yasasin TMT, Yasasin Taksim !!! . Hypocricy unlimited!
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:33 pm

Garbitsch wrote: Well done!! And your attitude will only help the continuation of the existence of TRNC and partition!!! This plan would unify the island with Greece and the Turkish Cypriots would be taken every kind of rights. From one of the two communities of Cyprus, they would become "Muslim Greeks" of Hellenic Republic. Keep going! And we will keep kissing and hugging you! Your satire will only benefit the ones like you, which constitute a very small number of people. Don't expect any kind of reasonable reply for your discusting posts. Well done!!!


Garbage your essay is graded F.

Next please!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:41 pm

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I did notice with great interest that you did not refute the fact their either your father or your big brother or your uncle were actually TMT terrorists! Yasasin TMT, Yasasin Taksim !!! . Hypocricy unlimited!


I did state that you were making assumptions, but for the record we were living in the UK during those years, part of the GC ethnic cleansing programme.

Was your father, brother, mother, sister, grandfather members of the EOKA movement??? supporting the Enosis dream, and do they now thank the Turkish soldiers from saving them from enosis??? otherwise you wouldnt have been able to take control of the defacto "RoC" in its current state.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:02 am

Let me start with the end note:

“PS: I stated before and I repeat again that I do not agree with the approach taken by the authors of the Akritas plan, in order to promote changes to the constitution. I accept changes were necessary but could have been achieved with patience and consultations with the TC community and not unilaterally.”

The Akritas Plan had little to do with the attempted changes of the Constitution. It had to do with the attempt to crush any efforts of the TC community to resist enosis. The TC’s knew that the London Zurich agreements had put a halt to enosis but they also knew that the Greek Cypriot leadership would seek a way to bring enosis back to the forefront.

It is well known that both the GC and the TC leadership considered the London-Zurich Agreements as a stepping stone for the final act. Enosis, for the GC leadership and taksim, for the TC leadership. Both sides started, in total secrecy, to take measures to promote their aims. In 1957 TMT was formed and received arms directly from Turkey (Deniz etc)

The GC side was also getting ready, politically and militarily for the next step. The National Organisation of Cypriots was secretly formed by Makarios and his close associates. Yiorgadzis was elected (here you can laugh) its leader uder the pseudonym Akritas. The Organisation, as it came to be known, worked out the political and the military preparations for achieving enosis, the original aim of the EOKA struggle. The Akritas Plan was issued under total secrecy in 1963. Regarding the way the Organisation recruited members, Klerides, in his “My deposition” claims that this was easy for Yorkadjis, because he was an area leader of EOKA and he knew personally many EOKA members. So he formed a paramilitary body made up of trusted individuals. Because Yorkadjis kept leftists out of his paramilitary body, the socialist Lyssarides duly obliged, forming another paramilitary body and then Sampson followed suit with his own paramilitary body. Makarios gave his blessing for all paramilitarists, because he wanted to keep Yorkadjis at bay. The training of the Akritas Organisation took place quite regularly and Klerides says in his book that a three day exercise took place at Troodos where the command post was the presidential residence. Besides Yorkadjis, the leadership of Akritas consisted of Klerides, Nikos Koshis and Tassos Papadopoulos. Later, Spyros Kyprianou was elected (laugh again) to the leadership.

A number of orders issued by the leadership of Akritas targeted high school students. In one of them the students were told that they should maintain their psychological strength and maintain high THE TECHNICAL LEVEL (meaning of course the use of guns). When the time comes, the order continued, we should be ready for the final act, for the final victory. We have the means to win.

The letter Papadopoulos sent to the American Ambassador in 1964 proves beyond doubt that the Plan did include a methodology for the physical extinction of the Turkish Cypriots. Papadopoulos said in the letter: “We have the PLAN and the MEANS to clean up all the Turkish Cypriots in 1 hour and 45 minutes”. The PLAN was of course the Akritas Plan and the MEANS, the thousands of paramilitary recruits.

Now, does anyone seriously expect that the actual written plan would list the details of how the cleaning up would be performed? Remember, the plan was directed at a wide spectrum of young persons as a rule that needed to be recruited. So, it was conveniently stated that “we are not for bloodshed but would retaliate if provoked”. This is normal propaganda for the attacker. Have you ever heard of a Ministry of Attack? Even the 3rd Richt had a Ministry of Defence.

So, atrocities were committed in the period of 1963 – 1967. Innocent people were killed from both communities by paramilitary organizations with agendas for the destruction of Cyprus. Papadopoulos has claimed that not a single TC was killed during this period. Well, here is the liar you are all looking for.

Makarios Droushiotis asks the following question: “A question which concerns all who research the 1960-74 period of Cypriot history is, why does the political leadership continue to cover these crimes and why there is no serious effort to separate the state from the parastate, and the few criminals from the whole of the population, since silence is tantamount to admission of guilt and serves the divisive policies of Denktash.

This silence has much to do with the enormous responsibilities for the destruction of Cyprus which weigh down the shoulders of a whole generation of politicians, who are in power until today. Because there can be no catharsis, unless this is accompanied by the apportionment of responsibility and the removal of persons from positions of authority. For the same reason, the period 1970-1974, during which the second part of the undermining of the state was carried out, and which concluded with the great crime of 1974, was also struck off the history of Cyprus.

The truth about the period 1959-1974 remains obscured under an opaque veil, which covers all the political errors, the culpabilities, and even the crimes which have been committed. So in Cyprus only the acceptable is remembered: That is, EOKA and the Turkish invasion, which stand for good and evil, legend and treason, white and black. Anything outside of these is considered unpatriotic and of service to the enemy's propaganda. Occasionally, it is considered as treason, or agency of foreign interests... This peculiar patriotism, which has imposed its views in Cyprus, is expressed by the same people who are responsible for all the evil which has befallen this island during the last fifty years.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:52 pm

Viewpoint wrote: thank you MicAtCyp so kindly for fueling the desire for partition


Of course I am fueling your desire for partition. I told you before. I want to see you be the first ones to ask for it. That day will be your doomsday!
So let me hear the poem once again:

The Gcs want to degrade the 18% minority into a minority status!!

Did you write your essay Partitioncugum?

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After reading Insans reply, tell me honestly am I right in saying they taught them the poems very well, or am I wrong? They want a Federation 50-50 on everything.They want to control the economy 50-50 whereas their own economic power is not even 5%.They want to keep our stolen properties which amount to 20 times more than what they left behind.They want to load us with thousands of settlers and even have a settler for President! The next thing they will ask us is 50% of Cyprus.And after we all give up and abandon the place, to tell us, well now you are a minority, there are no Minorities in Turkey, from now on you are Turks, and you are not allowed to speak any other language than Turkish.
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Postby garbitsch » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:01 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:
Viewpoint wrote: thank you MicAtCyp so kindly for fueling the desire for partition


Of course I am fueling your desire for partition. I told you before. I want to see you be the first ones to ask for it. That day will be your doomsday!
So let me hear the poem once again:

The Gcs want to degrade the 18% minority into a minority status!!

Did you write your essay Partitioncugum?

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Cannedmoose,

After reading Insans reply, tell me honestly am I right in saying they taught them the poems very well, or am I wrong? They want a Federation 50-50 on everything.They want to control the economy 50-50 whereas their own economic power is not even 5%.They want to keep our stolen properties which amount to 20 times more than what they left behind.They want to load us with thousands of settlers and even have a settler for President! The next thing they will ask us is 50% of Cyprus.And after we all give up and abandon the place, to tell us, well now you are a minority, there are no Minorities in Turkey, from now on you are Turks, and you are not allowed to speak any other language than Turkish.


And your essay recieved "the worst essay of all times". Good job! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:19 pm

After reading Insans reply, tell me honestly am I right in saying they taught them the poems very well, or am I wrong? They want a Federation 50-50 on everything.


We want a federation 50/50 on all legislative matters not on everything. Even this is what Levent, Izcan, durduran, Akinci etc wants. Noone taught us demanding 50/50 on all legislative matters. Your arrogance and ill-intentions taught us not to give up our political equality on all legislative matters. Like how TC community should respect the majority will of GC community; GC community also should respect the majority will of TC community. It is as simple as this.


They want to control the economy 50-50 whereas their own economic power is not even 5%.


%90 of TC financial loss is caused by GC leadership.


They want to keep our stolen properties which amount to 20 times more than what they left behind.


20 times? :lol: :lol: The implementation of Akritas Plan caused TCs to lose %90 of value of their properties and economic growth rate in last 40 years.


They want to load us with thousands of settlers and even have a settler for President!


Why not? Instead of fascist GC or TC president I prefer a humanist, democratic settler president.


The next thing they will ask us is 50% of Cyprus.And after we all give up and abandon the place, to tell us, well now you are a minority, there are no Minorities in Turkey, from now on you are Turks, and you are not allowed to speak any other language than Turkish.


Hahahaha! Exagerration and propaganda is the best job you are able to do. Tassos should appoint you to the head of Hellenic propaganda office. :lol:
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Postby garbitsch » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:26 pm

It's really good to see you Insan :lol: :lol:
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