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[Get Real!]

Turkey has been the grave for many people of this kind and people never seem to learn and always feel like they can undermine the power of defending your own territory from emperialist bastards.

Make that "imperialist" and I might remind you of Turkey's imperialist aims over Cyprus and not to mention the TC tendency to undermine GC power of defending their own territory...

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Where the Germans not evil in WW1 and WW2? This is who Australia was fighting. A bunch of fascists murdering scum who wanted to conquer the world and were responsible of the Final Solution against the Jews who were put to death in gas chambers and ovens. That pretty well fits in with the definition of evil you would think. And you alligned your selves with these murderous german fascists!

So why did Greece decided not to help fight the evil Germans in WW2 until Hitler invaded Greece pipiface?

And for your information, 90,000 ANZACs withdrew from Gallipoli under the cover of night from right under your noses by setting up dummies with guns that were connected with a bucket to the trigger and a drip of water to make these guns fire sporadically which caused your pathetic army to take cover like the cowards you are. Meanwhile, the RAN and RN where evacuating all the troops. You are a joke...

You mean they realised they were in a hopeless position and couldn't win and decided to run, right?

I wonder who the dummies were, the ones who high tailed it or the ones put in their places?

Ricco, Turkey had a military Alliance with Greece and Yugoslavia. Why didnt they get involved in fighting Nazi Germany?? The Turks had troops in Thrace to prevent Bulgaria from invading Greece while they were at war with Italy just as Yugoslavia did. Probably its due to the same reason Greece didnt wish to,,, wouldnt have made a difference

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

When historians actually research it and prove it through records and evidence as opposed to right now where who ever pays more money in a lobby gets their cause advertised in the way they want it to be.

Armenians were no different than you by the way, just another sad and abused bunch of people who were armed and manouvered by others in order to serve their own goals for the partitioning of Turkey, just like the Kurds, they got what was coming tp them. Turkey has never felt the need to eradicate an enire race, hence why it cannot be genocide, plus most of them died of hunger and diseases in a part of Turkey where not even the Turkish soldiers themselves had enough supplies to lıve on.

Too bad and very sad indeed, but just goes prove one more time the kind of mentality you are preaching and the consequences of it.

Turkey cannot be divided by no one.

HELLO. Anyone home!

Australians eradicating some aboriginals was an attrocity indeed. It was an atrocity that Australia admits and even apologised for this despicable act.

When is Turkey going to acknowledge the 1,500,000 Armenian genocide and apologise for this despicable act? When are you going to admit to the slaughter of 300,000 Pontian Greeks? Never, because Turkey suffers from an inherant inferiority complex and paranoia. They do not call you "The Sick Man of Europe" for nothing you know.[/quote
Dont forget to mention tha Assyrian Genocide. ]

[Big Al]

When historians actually research it and prove it through records and evidence as opposed to right now where who ever pays more money in a lobby gets their cause advertised in the way they want it to be.

Armenians were no different than you by the way, just another sad and abused bunch of people who were armed and manouvered by others in order to serve their own goals for the partitioning of Turkey, just like the Kurds, they got what was coming tp them. Turkey has never felt the need to eradicate an enire race, hence why it cannot be genocide, plus most of them died of hunger and diseases in a part of Turkey where not even the Turkish soldiers themselves had enough supplies to lıve on.

Too bad and very sad indeed, but just goes prove one more time the kind of mentality you are preaching and the consequences of it.

Turkey cannot be divided by no one.

HELLO. Anyone home!

Australians eradicating some aboriginals was an attrocity indeed. It was an atrocity that Australia admits and even apologised for this despicable act.

When is Turkey going to acknowledge the 1,500,000 Armenian genocide and apologise for this despicable act? When are you going to admit to the slaughter of 300,000 Pontian Greeks? Never, because Turkey suffers from an inherant inferiority complex and paranoia. They do not call you "The Sick Man of Europe" for nothing you know.[/quote
Dont forget to mention tha Assyrian Genocide. ]

Regarding the armenian genocide claims, Turkey has repeatedly requested experts and historians from both sides get together and go through the facts, the government has quite clearly stated if such a commission was set up it would accept its findings without question. Armenia continues to reject these requests. Why?
Could it be that they are aware the death toll numbers are exaggerated?
Could it be because they are aware that they too were also responsible for the deaths of thousands of turkish civilians.
Lets cut the shit out, if you know 1.5 mil armenian were killed and you have the facts to back up your argument why continue to reject Turkey's calls to sit down and discuss what happened??

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

When historians actually research it and prove it through records and evidence as opposed to right now where who ever pays more money in a lobby gets their cause advertised in the way they want it to be.

Armenians were no different than you by the way, just another sad and abused bunch of people who were armed and manouvered by others in order to serve their own goals for the partitioning of Turkey, just like the Kurds, they got what was coming tp them. Turkey has never felt the need to eradicate an enire race, hence why it cannot be genocide, plus most of them died of hunger and diseases in a part of Turkey where not even the Turkish soldiers themselves had enough supplies to lıve on.

Too bad and very sad indeed, but just goes prove one more time the kind of mentality you are preaching and the consequences of it.

Turkey cannot be divided by no one.

HELLO. Anyone home!

Australians eradicating some aboriginals was an attrocity indeed. It was an atrocity that Australia admits and even apologised for this despicable act.

When is Turkey going to acknowledge the 1,500,000 Armenian genocide and apologise for this despicable act? When are you going to admit to the slaughter of 300,000 Pontian Greeks? Never, because Turkey suffers from an inherant inferiority complex and paranoia. They do not call you "The Sick Man of Europe" for nothing you know.[/quote
Dont forget to mention tha Assyrian Genocide. ]

Regarding the armenian genocide claims, Turkey has repeatedly requested experts and historians from both sides get together and go through the facts, the government has quite clearly stated if such a commission was set up it would accept its findings without question. Armenia continues to reject these requests. Why?
Could it be that they are aware the death toll numbers are exaggerated?
Could it be because they are aware that they too were also responsible for the deaths of thousands of turkish civilians.
Lets cut the shit out, if you know 1.5 mil armenian were killed and you have the facts to back up your argument why continue to reject Turkey's calls to sit down and discuss what happened??

Until Turkey opens the border with Armenia and exchange Ambassors, I feel that it will be difficult for any Armenian politician to agree to such a request. Austrian and German Archives from this era state differently then that of the Ottoman Archives. There is alot of documantation of Armenians who were not even close to the volitile regions as being victims of Ottoman Atrocities.

[Big Al]

Mr Armenian Cypriot, you're a clever boy so you should realise that Armenia is in no position to dictate terms to Turkey. Armenia's position geographically means it needs to have its borders opened with Turkey, Turkey on the other hand is not landlocked, it doesnt effect Turkey as near as much as Armenia.
Secondly, how can Turkey open its borders to a nation that is campaining across the world against it. I have no doubt that if your politicians agree to sit down look at the facts, Turkey will open its borders. It will have no reason not to. And if they get together and conclude that the ottomans did infact commit genocide i am sure the Turkish government will acknowledge this, it has no reason not to, it is not responsible for what the ottomans did.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Mr Armenian Cypriot, you're a clever boy so you should realise that Armenia is in no position to dictate terms to Turkey. Armenia's position geographically means it needs to have its borders opened with Turkey, Turkey on the other hand is not landlocked, it doesnt effect Turkey as near as much as Armenia.
Secondly, how can Turkey open its borders to a nation that is campaining across the world against it. I have no doubt that if your politicians agree to sit down look at the facts, Turkey will open its borders. It will have no reason not to. And if they get together and conclude that the ottomans did infact commit genocide i am sure the Turkish government will acknowledge this, it has no reason not to, it is not responsible for what the ottomans did.

Armenia is in a position to dictate since they pretty much are treated by Russia, just like Belarus, Abkhazia, ect as they are part of Greater Russia. Threats dont seem to work on any side. I also would like to see this matter taken care of. The rulers of Turkey Today nor the people of Turkey today should be heald responsible an apology and normal relations between the 2 would be enough.

[Big Al]

Mr Armenian Cypriot, you're a clever boy so you should realise that Armenia is in no position to dictate terms to Turkey. Armenia's position geographically means it needs to have its borders opened with Turkey, Turkey on the other hand is not landlocked, it doesnt effect Turkey as near as much as Armenia.
Secondly, how can Turkey open its borders to a nation that is campaining across the world against it. I have no doubt that if your politicians agree to sit down look at the facts, Turkey will open its borders. It will have no reason not to. And if they get together and conclude that the ottomans did infact commit genocide i am sure the Turkish government will acknowledge this, it has no reason not to, it is not responsible for what the ottomans did.

Armenia is in a position to dictate since they pretty much are treated by Russia, just like Belarus, Abkhazia, ect as they are part of Greater Russia. Threats dont seem to work on any side. I also would like to see this matter taken care of. The rulers of Turkey Today nor the people of Turkey today should be heald responsible an apology and normal relations between the 2 would be enough.

if they are part of russia, and arent affected, why demand the opening of borders?
let me pose a question to you, if you were running armenia and you knew that if you met with turkish historians and discussed what happened and came to a uniform conclusion as to events during that time, would you do it if it meant an apology and normalisation of ties?

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Mr Armenian Cypriot, you're a clever boy so you should realise that Armenia is in no position to dictate terms to Turkey. Armenia's position geographically means it needs to have its borders opened with Turkey, Turkey on the other hand is not landlocked, it doesnt effect Turkey as near as much as Armenia.
Secondly, how can Turkey open its borders to a nation that is campaining across the world against it. I have no doubt that if your politicians agree to sit down look at the facts, Turkey will open its borders. It will have no reason not to. And if they get together and conclude that the ottomans did infact commit genocide i am sure the Turkish government will acknowledge this, it has no reason not to, it is not responsible for what the ottomans did.

Armenia is in a position to dictate since they pretty much are treated by Russia, just like Belarus, Abkhazia, ect as they are part of Greater Russia. Threats dont seem to work on any side. I also would like to see this matter taken care of. The rulers of Turkey Today nor the people of Turkey today should be heald responsible an apology and normal relations between the 2 would be enough.

if they are part of russia, and arent affected, why demand the opening of borders?
let me pose a question to you, if you were running armenia and you knew that if you met with turkish historians and discussed what happened and came to a uniform conclusion as to events during that time, would you do it if it meant an apology and normalisation of ties?

Al if it was up to me it would have been alot different. Both Governments are to full of pride to give in to each others requests. That is what really keeps the whole thing from coming to an end. Keeping the border closed affects its economic growth, while the powers to be to make sure Armenia isnt invaded happens to be Russia who also has a sizeable military presence there. Most of the troops that were stationed in Georgia have been moved to Armenia. Do I believe Armenia is safe?? Yes. Do I believe it will grow in the present state?? No.

[Big Al]

Mr Armenian Cypriot, you're a clever boy so you should realise that Armenia is in no position to dictate terms to Turkey. Armenia's position geographically means it needs to have its borders opened with Turkey, Turkey on the other hand is not landlocked, it doesnt effect Turkey as near as much as Armenia.
Secondly, how can Turkey open its borders to a nation that is campaining across the world against it. I have no doubt that if your politicians agree to sit down look at the facts, Turkey will open its borders. It will have no reason not to. And if they get together and conclude that the ottomans did infact commit genocide i am sure the Turkish government will acknowledge this, it has no reason not to, it is not responsible for what the ottomans did.

Armenia is in a position to dictate since they pretty much are treated by Russia, just like Belarus, Abkhazia, ect as they are part of Greater Russia. Threats dont seem to work on any side. I also would like to see this matter taken care of. The rulers of Turkey Today nor the people of Turkey today should be heald responsible an apology and normal relations between the 2 would be enough.

if they are part of russia, and arent affected, why demand the opening of borders?
let me pose a question to you, if you were running armenia and you knew that if you met with turkish historians and discussed what happened and came to a uniform conclusion as to events during that time, would you do it if it meant an apology and normalisation of ties?

Al if it was up to me it would have been alot different. Both Governments are to full of pride to give in to each others requests. That is what really keeps the whole thing from coming to an end.

Your last sentence is 100% correct, turkey also has alot of pride when it comes to this issue, if armenia were to say fine lets sit down and talk and then they concluded that a genocide was indeed committed Turkey then is left with no chioce but to accept these findings. I have gained alot of respect for you recently, your thoughts on the issue, though they differ from mine are well thought out and you appear to be a reasonable person..
The Armenian issue is an issue that neither side needs and probably should have been sorted out before either one of us was born.