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[Viewpoint]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

[boomerang]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

So nothing to say about state sponsored homicide, ha?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17401

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire not alone giving you the time of the day moron...

[Viewpoint]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

So nothing to say about state sponsored homicide, ha?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17401

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire not alone giving you the time of the day moron...

Id rather burn.

[boomerang]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

So nothing to say about state sponsored homicide, ha?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17401

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire not alone giving you the time of the day moron...

Id rather burn.

inshallah

[Tim Drayton]

I don't know what the big news is here for couple of graffiti artist doing their stuff by writing "Greece" on objects in the "TRNC". They should be made to clean all that stuff with their tooth brush as their punishment. The same also goes for the flags on the "Graffiti Mountain" which one of the flag's spells "Turkey". This is your classic case of tit for tat.

I see that they were ordered by the court to pay 1,875 new Turkish lira by way of compensation for the damage they caused. This is the equivalent of about 950 euro and it does seem a tad steep for wiping off five instances of graffiti. Also the report says that they were using black paint and they spraypainted onto an asphalt road twice. Black graffiti on black asphalt - how does that work?

The court apparently accepted their lawyer's defence that their acts were not premeditated, and they started spraying this graffiti after having drunk a lot of beer. Basically, they were required to pay compensation for the damage they caused, sign an undertaking to pay a fine of 2000 new Turkish lira each if they repeat the offence, the one who was driving was also fined for being over the limit, and then they were released.

One powerful argument that no premeditation was involved, it seems to me, was the colour of the paint. Had these two men travelled to Karpasia with the express intent of committing this act, I am sure they would have taken blue paint with them!

The material damage done here was limited, but what about the moral damage? One starts to ask whether the dream of Enosis is indeed dead.

You can make all the excuses you want the fact is that these acts are what people subconsiously think we have enough example on this forum who feel that Cyprus is a Greek island.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not making excuses. I think this was an outrageous and insensitive act. I still can't help wondering if this was really just the impulsive act of two drunken young men, or if they were put up to it.

The act may have been the product of excessive drinking but it reveals and backs up the claim of GCs like Kifeas and Piratis that Cyprus is a Greek island which is why we are divided today, this ideology is still very much alive even today in 2008 which will resurface very soon after a solution is agreed. The dangers still remain below the surface and getting rid the army which has suppressed these feelings in order to maintain a peaceful existence will be shatter if any agreement does not allow for Turkish security guarantees.

I am keeping an open mind. I do not think it is beyond the bounds of probability - that means it is possible, I am not saying it is the only explanation - that factions in the north which support permanent partition could have staged this incident. It is interesting to note that it was mainly covered in Asil Nadir's newspaper. Is he still a fugitive from British justice? If so, he is hardly likely to favour a solution that will make his extradition to the UK possible.

[Get Real!]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

You call it a "peaceful existence" because having never served on the green line you don't know any better, so why don't you ask someone like me who has?

Hardly a day went by when we didn't have to report Turkish aerial and other violations to the UN, hardly a year went by when we didn't arrest 1-5 Turkish soldiers seeking asylum, hardly a year went by in the eighties when we didn't have 1 or 2 skirmishes resulting in spilt blood, hardly a month or two went by when I didn't hear a Turkish officer shoot a sleeping Turkish sentry, hardly a week went by when we didn't have stray dogs and other rabies infested animals lurking around that had to be destroyed, hardly a quarter went by when either side would conduct nigh time surveillance missions ("akroastiko" in Greek) during which guns, equipment, and sometimes even soldiers were snatched!

[Viewpoint]

That 's another possibility but very unlikely as anything in that direction would have warranted more impact value, this is the reflection of the subconscious of the majority of GCs who feel that Cyprus is a Greek island and all the complications that entails.

[Oracle]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

You call it a "peaceful existence" because having never served on the green line you don't know any better, so why don't you ask someone like me who has?

Hardly a day went by when we didn't have to report Turkish aerial and other violations to the UN, hardly a year went by when we didn't arrest 1-5 Turkish soldiers seeking asylum, hardly a year went by in the eighties when we didn't have 1 or 2 skirmishes resulting in spilt blood, hardly a month or two went by when I didn't hear a Turkish officer shoot a sleeping Turkish sentry, hardly a week went by when we didn't have stray dogs and other rabies infested animals lurking around that had to be destroyed, hardly a quarter went by when either side would conduct nigh time surveillance missions ("akroastiko" in Greek) during which guns, equipment, and sometimes even soldiers were snatched!

I think even VP would have to agree; we can get rid of the 40,000 Turkish troops and replace them with a few GR!s

[Kifeas]

I don't know what the big news is here for couple of graffiti artist doing their stuff by writing "Greece" on objects in the "TRNC". They should be made to clean all that stuff with their tooth brush as their punishment. The same also goes for the flags on the "Graffiti Mountain" which one of the flag's spells "Turkey". This is your classic case of tit for tat.

I see that they were ordered by the court to pay 1,875 new Turkish lira by way of compensation for the damage they caused. This is the equivalent of about 950 euro and it does seem a tad steep for wiping off five instances of graffiti. Also the report says that they were using black paint and they spraypainted onto an asphalt road twice. Black graffiti on black asphalt - how does that work?

The court apparently accepted their lawyer's defence that their acts were not premeditated, and they started spraying this graffiti after having drunk a lot of beer. Basically, they were required to pay compensation for the damage they caused, sign an undertaking to pay a fine of 2000 new Turkish lira each if they repeat the offence, the one who was driving was also fined for being over the limit, and then they were released.

One powerful argument that no premeditation was involved, it seems to me, was the colour of the paint. Had these two men travelled to Karpasia with the express intent of committing this act, I am sure they would have taken blue paint with them!

The material damage done here was limited, but what about the moral damage? One starts to ask whether the dream of Enosis is indeed dead.

You can make all the excuses you want the fact is that these acts are what people subconsiously think we have enough example on this forum who feel that Cyprus is a Greek island.

Do not misunderstand me. I am not making excuses. I think this was an outrageous and insensitive act. I still can't help wondering if this was really just the impulsive act of two drunken young men, or if they were put up to it.

The act may have been the product of excessive drinking but it reveals and backs up the claim of GCs like Kifeas and Piratis that Cyprus is a Greek island which is why we are divided today, this ideology is still very much alive even today in 2008 which will resurface very soon after a solution is agreed. The dangers still remain below the surface and getting rid the army which has suppressed these feelings in order to maintain a peaceful existence will be shatter if any agreement does not allow for Turkish security guarantees.

I am keeping an open mind. I do not think it is beyond the bounds of probability - that means it is possible, I am not saying it is the only explanation - that factions in the north which support permanent partition could have staged this incident. It is interesting to note that it was mainly covered in Asil Nadir's newspaper. Is he still a fugitive from British justice? If so, he is hardly likely to favour a solution that will make his extradition to the UK possible.

Tim, would you have had the same view, had the writings on similar places in the illegally occupied north were says for example, "down with the illegal occupation," "Turkish troops out of Cyprus" and "freedom to Cyprus?" Had the writings being along the above lines, I would have personally considered them as heroes, under all circumstances. What would you have considered them?

And another question. What do you have to say about the raping of the entire cultural and historical heritage of the GCs in the occupied north? I remind you that they have changed the names of all the places, some of which are of thousands of years of historical length and value, so that nothing can possibly remind to the outside world that Greek Cypriots have ever existed in the occupied north. You will find nowhere in their publications "relating" to the history of the north of Cyprus, that Greek Cypriots have ever existed or have any connection with that part of Cyprus; they have let thousands of years old churches and other Hellenic monuments to be destroyed, they have allowed the looting of thousands of years old frescos from GC churches, and they even tell the few tourists that visit the north that the ancient Greek language engravings in Salamina, are not Greek but ancient Chinese –I was an eye and hearing witness to the latest. What do you have to say about all these? Aren’t these fatal provocations against the Greek Cypriot community, hundreds of times multifold, than the incident you and some others so much criticize? Aren’t all these reasons enough to invide and provoke feelings of hatret and despair from the part of the GCs, on what happened and still happens against their heritage, cultural identity and existential consciousness, in their very own country?

[Paphitis]

versus keeping the army and killing gc civilians while on remand ha?

You are not worth the time of day, but still here goes the same army that has given you 34 years of peaceful existence and properity you have derived from stolen recognition.

You call it a "peaceful existence" because having never served on the green line you don't know any better, so why don't you ask someone like me who has?

Hardly a day went by when we didn't have to report Turkish aerial and other violations to the UN, hardly a year went by when we didn't arrest 1-5 Turkish soldiers seeking asylum, hardly a year went by in the eighties when we didn't have 1 or 2 skirmishes resulting in spilt blood, hardly a month or two went by when I didn't hear a Turkish officer shoot a sleeping Turkish sentry, hardly a week went by when we didn't have stray dogs and other rabies infested animals lurking around that had to be destroyed, hardly a quarter went by when either side would conduct nigh time surveillance missions ("akroastiko" in Greek) during which guns, equipment, and sometimes even soldiers were snatched!

Sounds like you have some very interesting stories to tell about your experiences patrolling the buffer, GR.

Can I kindly request that you start a thread to portray some of these experiences provided you do not violate any secrecy laws? Other members could also contribute by telling some of their waries as well!