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An excellent response Kikapu, but in the case of Bananiot it will go to waste because I’m sure you haven’t told him anything he doesn’t already know, therefore one can surmise that unfortunately it’s not in everyone’s interests that Cyprus be a free, democratic, and contiguous state.

What defines a " contiguous sate " ???
I can understand the meaning if it was in the right context but in this instance what does it mean ??

Replace it with consecutive or continuous...

[Viewpoint]

25%-29%??? No way Turko. We will keep the 63% of land and the 100% of legality and recognition and let you rot in the pseudo then. You can't screw us both ways and keep more land and have recognition also!! It is one or the other. So choose. 18% legal or 37% illegal? Up to you.

I would opt for 18% but I am probably in the minority as the majority of TCs would tell you to go to hell no land return we will rather fight our corner for recognition.

[Kifeas]

Kikapu what you seem to forget like every GC is why we want agreed partition because we do not see any light at the end of the tunnel when you demand we capitulate to a situation where we will forced into minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP, besides the reasons why you want agreed partition, which we do not want to know; do you also realize that this can only be possible if it is based on an 82:18 territorial split, and if you do, have you also made up your mind which 18% part of Cyprus will you be taking? If you have, can we at last see your map of this 18% you have reserved, because I have a suspicion you have made a deliberate mistake and have included some more territory that amounts up to 19%, therefore we need to re-calculate it our selves in order to agree?

Playing with numbers to prove your point is not the real issue here, the issue is whether this would be supported by the majority of people on both sides of the divide. The % will have to be evaluated by an individual committee made up of experts who can decide on the disputes and return of GCs who no doubt change the % you wish to force us into. I have asked you many times could you supply an example where the population % determine the land distribution?

VP, let me explain to you a few simple things you do not seem to comprehend!

Whether you will rot in isolation in an illegal and unrecognized territory, as hostages of Turkey for the next 100 years, while at the same time Turkey will get the "boot" from her EU accession process; or whether there will be partition as a way out of the loophole for both your community and Turkey; it solely depends on what the RoC and the GC community will decide! For this decision to be made, we do not need committees of experts to decide on the land distribution and the rest of garbage you have posted above! It is either partition based on 82:18 of the territory, or the …highway!

The highway will be preferred where you can rot to death remembering how it was and pining for what you lost. The knife cuts both ways Kifeas as you know I support agreed partition and would accept 18% although I know many TCs would not as they would keep the 37% and tell you to go to hell because their are many claims of deception in obtaining lands from TCs and these disputes would bring our figure to around 25-29% as always agreed in many of the negotiations.

VP, let me re-explain to you some realities which you do not seem to want to understand, with the hope that this time you will do better!

In 1974, you have managed to win and illegal war, an illegal invasion so to say, after which you have succeeded to illegally occupy 36% of our ancestral homeland. This 1974 victory of yours, was in fact a pyrrhic victory, but was also a victory of just one battle! Ever since your victory of this just one battle, by which you have managed usurping 36% of our country, you have lost all the consecutive battles on the legal and political front. As a result, you have not managed to legalize any one single fait accompli of this 1974 “victory.”

In 2004, you have lost one of the most decisive battles, which alone and by itself amounts to a complete offsetting of your 1974 victory. As a result of you losing this 2004 battle -which brought us the EU accession, we have managed to take your future as a community and the future of your motherland Turkey, as a our hostages, just like you have managed to take 36% of our country as your hostage! Now you hold 36% of our country as a hostage, but we also hold yours and Turkey's future as our hostage at the same time! Just like you have the capacity to illegally exploit our lands and homeland in the north, we also have the capacity to keep you in isolation, without recognition, and the capacity to cancel out Turkey's EU accession process, a vital undertaking for your motherland’s political, social and economic stability! The difference between you, your motherland and us, is that while we have gotten used to having 36% of our country as a hostage of yours and your motherland, and we also know we can survive with it; you and especially your motherland are not used to it at all! That is why the pain will be as much as our pain due 1974, when in a year's time we will deliver her the "boot" and kick her our of her EU accession process; something which will cause her severe internal problems, much more than what she currently faces, while at the same time your isolation and non-recognition will continue!

As Bananiot had already explained to you, in life there are no solutions but options! In yours and your motherland's case, you have 3 options!
The first is to let the status quo continue as it is now, for the next 100 years, something which will also mean the continuation of your isolation and the "boot" for your beloved motherland! The second option is for you and your motherland to return 50% of the territory you currently hold illegally as a hostage, in an agreed 82:18 partition, in exchange of us ending the hostage taking of yours and your motherland's future! The third and in my opinion the most sensible option, is for you and your motherland to drop all of your numerous illegitimate demands towards the reunification of the island, and join us in working towards a single, sovereign, independed, federal Republic of Cyprus, that will be based on the political equality of the two communities but also its citizens on an individual level; without violating fundamental democratic norms and the human, cultural and historical rights of any citizen and any community.

The choice is yours! When you make up your minds, let us know, but try to do it soon and before the end of year 2009!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu what you seem to forget like every GC is why we want agreed partition because we do not see any light at the end of the tunnel when you demand we capitulate to a situation where we will forced into minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP, besides the reasons why you want agreed partition, which we do not want to know; do you also realize that this can only be possible if it is based on an 82:18 territorial split, and if you do, have you also made up your mind which 18% part of Cyprus will you be taking? If you have, can we at last see your map of this 18% you have reserved, because I have a suspicion you have made a deliberate mistake and have included some more territory that amounts up to 19%, therefore we need to re-calculate it our selves in order to agree?

Playing with numbers to prove your point is not the real issue here, the issue is whether this would be supported by the majority of people on both sides of the divide. The % will have to be evaluated by an individual committee made up of experts who can decide on the disputes and return of GCs who no doubt change the % you wish to force us into. I have asked you many times could you supply an example where the population % determine the land distribution?

VP, let me explain to you a few simple things you do not seem to comprehend!

Whether you will rot in isolation in an illegal and unrecognized territory, as hostages of Turkey for the next 100 years, while at the same time Turkey will get the "boot" from her EU accession process; or whether there will be partition as a way out of the loophole for both your community and Turkey; it solely depends on what the RoC and the GC community will decide! For this decision to be made, we do not need committees of experts to decide on the land distribution and the rest of garbage you have posted above! It is either partition based on 82:18 of the territory, or the …highway!

The highway will be preferred where you can rot to death remembering how it was and pining for what you lost. The knife cuts both ways Kifeas as you know I support agreed partition and would accept 18% although I know many TCs would not as they would keep the 37% and tell you to go to hell because their are many claims of deception in obtaining lands from TCs and these disputes would bring our figure to around 25-29% as always agreed in many of the negotiations.

VP, let me re-explain to you some realities which you do not seem to want to understand, with the hope that this time you will do better!

In 1974, you have managed to win and illegal war, an illegal invasion so to say, after which you have succeeded to illegally occupy 36% of our ancestral homeland. This 1974 victory of yours, was in fact a pyrrhic victory, but was also a victory of just one battle! Ever since your victory of this just one battle, by which you have managed usurping 36% of our country, you have lost all the consecutive battles on the legal and political front. As a result, you have not managed to legalize any one single fait accompli of this 1974 “victory.”

In 2004, you have lost one of the most decisive battles, which alone and by itself amounts to a complete offsetting of your 1974 victory. As a result of you losing this 2004 battle -which brought us the EU accession, we have managed to take your future as a community and the future of your motherland Turkey, as a our hostages, just like you have managed to take 36% of our country as your hostage! Now you hold 36% of our country as a hostage, but we also hold yours and Turkey's future as our hostage at the same time! Just like you have the capacity to illegally exploit our lands and homeland in the north, we also have the capacity to keep you in isolation, without recognition, and the capacity to cancel out Turkey's EU accession process, a vital undertaking for your motherland’s political, social and economic stability! The difference between you, your motherland and us, is that while we have gotten used to having 36% of our country as a hostage of yours and your motherland, and we also know we can survive with it; you and especially your motherland are not used to it at all! That is why the pain will be as much as our pain due 1974, when in a year's time we will deliver the "boot" to her and kick her our of her EU accession process; something which will cause her severe internal problems, much more than what she currently faces, while at the same time your isolation and non-recognition will continue!

As Bananiot had already explained to you, in life there are no solutions but options! In yours and your motherland's case, you have 3 options!
The first is to let the status quo continue as it is now, for the next 100 years, something which will also mean the continuation of your isolation and the "boot" for your beloved motherland! The second option is for you and your motherland to return 50% of the territory you currently hold illegally as a hostage, in an agreed 82:18 partition, in exchange of us ending the hostage taking of yours and your motherland's future! The third and in my opinion the most sensible option, is for you and your motherland to drop all of your numerous illegitimate demands towards the reunification of the island, and join us in working towards a single, sovereign, independed, federal Republic of Cyprus, that will be based on the political equality of the two communities but also its citizens on an individual level; without violating fundamental democratic norms and the human, cultural and historical rights of any citizen and any community.

The choice is yours! When you make up your minds, let us know, but try to do it soon and before the end of year 2009!

Your arrogance and big headedness knows no bounds, you got your arses kicked in 1974 and lost 37% of the island, we will hold onto this part of the island for as long as it takes to get a solution that we can commit to otherwise forget it we will take our chances with Turkey.

[Kifeas]

OK VP, do as you wish, but do not come crying to us when you will regret it! Remember! While we have gotten used to having 36% of our homeland as your hostage, you and especially your motherland are not used at all of us holding your future as a hostage! Remember this also! "Damaged people are dangerous, for they know they can survive!" And we have been damaged hundreds of times already, in our 4 millenniums old presence on this island!

[Viewpoint]

OK VP, do as you wish, but do not come crying to us when you will regret it! Remember! While we have gotten used to having 36% of our homeland as your hostage, you and especially your motherland are not used at all of us holding your future as a hostage! Remember this also! Damaged people are dangerous, for they know they can survive! And we have been damaged hundreds of times already, in our 4 millenniums old presence on this island!

Kifeas as I have stated to you on numerous occasions empty threats mean nothing to us we to have suffered. We to have gotten used to our circumstances and it is preferred to living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

I promise we will not come anywhere near you but assure you that we will survive just as we did from 1963 to 1974.

You are free to play the EU we hold Turkey hostage card when ever you wish but be prepared for the outcome whether it be good or bad for your GC state "RoC".

[Kifeas]

OK VP, do as you wish, but do not come crying to us when you will regret it! Remember! While we have gotten used to having 36% of our homeland as your hostage, you and especially your motherland are not used at all of us holding your future as a hostage! Remember this also! Damaged people are dangerous, for they know they can survive! And we have been damaged hundreds of times already, in our 4 millenniums old presence on this island!

Kifeas as I have stated to you on numerous occasions empty threats mean nothing to us we to have suffered. We to have gotten used to our circumstances and it is preferred to living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

I promise we will not come anywhere near you but assure you that we will survive just as we did from 1963 to 1974.

You are free to play the EU we hold Turkey hostage card when ever you wish but be prepared for the outcome whether it be good or bad for your GC state "RoC".

VP, if I remember correctly, "living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs" was not one of the 3 options I told you to have! You are too confused I suppose, and you cannot comprehend what you read, even though I tried and used the plainest of English I could possibly manage!

[humanist]

VP

Kifeas as I have stated to you on numerous occasions empty threats mean nothing to us we to have suffered. We to have gotten used to our circumstances and it is preferred to living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

I promise we will not come anywhere near you but assure you that we will survive just as we did from 1963 to 1974.

You are free to play the EU we hold Turkey hostage card when ever you wish but be prepared for the outcome whether it be good or bad for your GC state "RoC".

VP the TC community has suffered in the past and so has the GC community. This suffering was mostly created by outside forces Greece on the one hand, Turkey on the other and the British demon stiring it all up. I doubt you have gotten used to your circumstances otherwise the overwhelming majority of you would not have voted yes the the AP.

Turkey occupies our land our country and violates human rights whether you like to think its at yur invitation and delude yourself or not you got no choice as you have agreed in previous posts, mamTurka hold the key and the power and Talat is in no position to negotiate anything. You just watch what happens in a few weeks time the whole thing will fall apart not because Talat wants too, but because Turkey will say so. Coming back to Turkey occupying our country we will hold vetoe Turkey's entry into the EU until she obbeys with international, law and fulfills its EU criteria which by the way its asked by all EU member or future member States. Furthermore Turkey will not gain entry into the EU for the reason that it violates other peopl's human rights such as Kurds and Armenians, the genocide of armenians will need to be acknowledges and the lands returned as is for the Kurds and others that she violated.

Cyprus believe it or not does not have that much power to keep Turkey out. In order for the EU to grant membership to Turkey, Turkey as you and I know it today will have to be dispanded a Kurdish State will be created and the numerical numbers evened out before this country will be allowed to enter the EU.

I am no politician and nor do I wish to become, but I do read and nalyse when I want too. Therefore I gain knowledge that leads me to conclude as I have done so above.

[Viewpoint]

OK VP, do as you wish, but do not come crying to us when you will regret it! Remember! While we have gotten used to having 36% of our homeland as your hostage, you and especially your motherland are not used at all of us holding your future as a hostage! Remember this also! Damaged people are dangerous, for they know they can survive! And we have been damaged hundreds of times already, in our 4 millenniums old presence on this island!

Kifeas as I have stated to you on numerous occasions empty threats mean nothing to us we to have suffered. We to have gotten used to our circumstances and it is preferred to living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

I promise we will not come anywhere near you but assure you that we will survive just as we did from 1963 to 1974.

You are free to play the EU we hold Turkey hostage card when ever you wish but be prepared for the outcome whether it be good or bad for your GC state "RoC".

VP, if I remember correctly, "living as a minority in a GC state run by GCs" was not one of the 3 options I told you to have! You are too confused I suppose, and you cannot comprehend what you read, even though I tried and used the plainest of English I could possibly manage!

I do not agree deals with people I do not trust and you I do not trust, now Bananiot is someone I would trust with my future in a unified state, now do you understand the difference.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

VP the TC community has suffered in the past and so has the GC community. This suffering was mostly created by outside forces Greece on the one hand, Turkey on the other and the British demon stiring it all up. I doubt you have gotten used to your circumstances otherwise the overwhelming majority of you would not have voted yes the the AP.

If you drive a Ford which is a pretty good car and gets your around town to do your business this does not mean you will reject a BMW if it is offered to you.

Turkey occupies our land our country and violates human rights whether you like to think its at yur invitation and delude yourself or not you got no choice as you have agreed in previous posts, mamTurka hold the key and the power and Talat is in no position to negotiate anything. You just watch what happens in a few weeks time the whole thing will fall apart not because Talat wants too, but because Turkey will say so. Coming back to Turkey occupying our country we will hold vetoe Turkey's entry into the EU until she obbeys with international, law and fulfills its EU criteria which by the way its asked by all EU member or future member States. Furthermore Turkey will not gain entry into the EU for the reason that it violates other peopl's human rights such as Kurds and Armenians, the genocide of armenians will need to be acknowledges and the lands returned as is for the Kurds and others that she violated.

You can paint as much doom and gloom for Turkey and the TCs as you wish this is your signature tune and after 48 years we are used to it but have to say time will show who was right, in the meantime Turkey will remain here until a time that we agree a solution that will ask them to leave.

Cyprus believe it or not does not have that much power to keep Turkey out. In order for the EU to grant membership to Turkey, Turkey as you and I know it today will have to be dispanded a Kurdish State will be created and the numerical numbers evened out before this country will be allowed to enter the EU.

More doom and gloom, one thing you are right about is that you do not have as much clout as you think you do in the EU and if Turkeys entry is wanted by the biggers nations Turkey will enter against your wishes so your EU leverage will in time backfire as you will have to do what your puppet masters tell you.

I am no politician and nor do I wish to become, but I do read and nalyse when I want too. Therefore I gain knowledge that leads me to conclude as I have done so above.

No you are no politician for sure but you are entitled to your opinion however wrong you may be.