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[Piratis]

I will address the points you have raised. Just like you, I am not interested in confederation. The adversaries of the Annan Plan were quick to daemonise it and one of the accusations they projected was that it called foe confederation. The Annan Plan was indeed a complicated plan but it did not provide for confederation. Suffice to say that the EU accepted it and as we all know, under no circumstances Brussels will accept a confederal country. The Annan Plan did provide for a federal system in which the new Cyprus would have one sovereignty, one voice one nationality and one international representation. The components states of the new Cyprus would not have the right to break away and declare of independence. The new Cyprus would have been a federal Cyprus! The EU, as stated earlier, would never accept in its ranks a confederal country.

The only thing which was "united" in Annan plan was our foreign affairs, and thats was so the Turks would be able to veto everything the Cypriots decided and therefore Cypriots would have no international voice at all.

How about if we return to the Ottoman era? Cyprus would be "united" under Turkish control, Cypriots would be divided between Turks with more rights and Greeks with less rights, we would have no international voice, our lands would be taken from us by law and given to Turks, our human rights would be violated by the law - just like all slaves deserve, and we would all be happy that we have a united island. Not much different from Annan plan. The only thing that would be missing would be the 1000s of Cypriots butchered by the Turks, but that would certainly come soon after when the defenseless and unarmed Cypriots would realize the mistake the made and try to revolt for their freedom and self determination.

[bilako22]

I will address the points you have raised. Just like you, I am not interested in confederation. The adversaries of the Annan Plan were quick to daemonise it and one of the accusations they projected was that it called foe confederation. The Annan Plan was indeed a complicated plan but it did not provide for confederation. Suffice to say that the EU accepted it and as we all know, under no circumstances Brussels will accept a confederal country. The Annan Plan did provide for a federal system in which the new Cyprus would have one sovereignty, one voice one nationality and one international representation. The components states of the new Cyprus would not have the right to break away and declare of independence. The new Cyprus would have been a federal Cyprus! The EU, as stated earlier, would never accept in its ranks a confederal country.

The only thing which was "united" in Annan plan was our foreign affairs, and thats was so the Turks would be able to veto everything the Cypriots decided and therefore Cypriots would have no international voice at all.

How about if we return to the Ottoman era? Cyprus would be "united" under Turkish control, Cypriots would be divided between Turks with more rights and Greeks with less rights, we would have no international voice, our lands would be taken from us by law and given to Turks, our human rights would be violated by the law - just like all slaves deserve, and we would all be happy that we have a united island. Not much different from Annan plan. The only thing that would be missing would be the 1000s of Cypriots butchered by the Turks, but that would certainly come soon after when the defenseless and unarmed Cypriots would realize the mistake the made and try to revolt for their freedom and self determination.

How about , plonker , we have partition with two separate countries with you rotting in the South and we enjoying our ill-gotten gains in the North?

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu what you seem to forget like every GC is why we want agreed partition because we do not see any light at the end of the tunnel when you demand we capitulate to a situation where we will forced into minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP, besides the reasons why you want agreed partition, which we do not want to know; do you also realize that this can only be possible if it is based on an 82:18 territorial split, and if you do, have you also made up your mind which 18% part of Cyprus will you be taking? If you have, can we at last see your map of this 18% you have reserved, because I have a suspicion you have made a deliberate mistake and have included some more territory that amounts up to 19%, therefore we need to re-calculate it our selves in order to agree?

Playing with numbers to prove your point is not the real issue here, the issue is whether this would be supported by the majority of people on both sides of the divide. The % will have to be evaluated by an individual committee made up of experts who can decide on the disputes and return of GCs who no doubt change the % you wish to force us into. I have asked you many times could you supply an example where the population % determine the land distribution?

[Kifeas]

Kikapu what you seem to forget like every GC is why we want agreed partition because we do not see any light at the end of the tunnel when you demand we capitulate to a situation where we will forced into minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP, besides the reasons why you want agreed partition, which we do not want to know; do you also realize that this can only be possible if it is based on an 82:18 territorial split, and if you do, have you also made up your mind which 18% part of Cyprus will you be taking? If you have, can we at last see your map of this 18% you have reserved, because I have a suspicion you have made a deliberate mistake and have included some more territory that amounts up to 19%, therefore we need to re-calculate it our selves in order to agree?

Playing with numbers to prove your point is not the real issue here, the issue is whether this would be supported by the majority of people on both sides of the divide. The % will have to be evaluated by an individual committee made up of experts who can decide on the disputes and return of GCs who no doubt change the % you wish to force us into. I have asked you many times could you supply an example where the population % determine the land distribution?

VP, let me explain to you a few simple things you do not seem to comprehend!

Whether you will rot in isolation in an illegal and unrecognized territory, as hostages of Turkey for the next 100 years, while at the same time Turkey will get the "boot" from her EU accession process; or whether there will be partition as a way out of the loophole for both your community and Turkey; it solely depends on what the RoC and the GC community will decide! For this decision to be made, we do not need committees of experts to decide on the land distribution and the rest of garbage you have posted above! It is either partition based on 82:18 of the territory, or the …highway!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu what you seem to forget like every GC is why we want agreed partition because we do not see any light at the end of the tunnel when you demand we capitulate to a situation where we will forced into minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

VP, besides the reasons why you want agreed partition, which we do not want to know; do you also realize that this can only be possible if it is based on an 82:18 territorial split, and if you do, have you also made up your mind which 18% part of Cyprus will you be taking? If you have, can we at last see your map of this 18% you have reserved, because I have a suspicion you have made a deliberate mistake and have included some more territory that amounts up to 19%, therefore we need to re-calculate it our selves in order to agree?

Playing with numbers to prove your point is not the real issue here, the issue is whether this would be supported by the majority of people on both sides of the divide. The % will have to be evaluated by an individual committee made up of experts who can decide on the disputes and return of GCs who no doubt change the % you wish to force us into. I have asked you many times could you supply an example where the population % determine the land distribution?

VP, let me explain to you a few simple things you do not seem to comprehend!

Whether you will rot in isolation in an illegal and unrecognized territory, as hostages of Turkey for the next 100 years, while at the same time Turkey will get the "boot" from her EU accession process; or whether there will be partition as a way out of the loophole for both your community and Turkey; it solely depends on what the RoC and the GC community will decide! For this decision to be made, we do not need committees of experts to decide on the land distribution and the rest of garbage you have posted above! It is either partition based on 82:18 of the territory, or the …highway!

The highway will be preferred where you can rot to death remembering how it was and pining for what you lost. The knife cuts both ways Kifeas as you know I support agreed partition and would accept 18% although I know many TCs would not as they would keep the 37% and tell you to go to hell because their are many claims of deception in obtaining lands from TCs and these disputes would bring our figure to around 25-29% as always agreed in many of the negotiations.

[Sotos]

25%-29%??? No way Turko. We will keep the 63% of land and the 100% of legality and recognition and let you rot in the pseudo then. You can't screw us both ways and keep more land and have recognition also!! It is one or the other. So choose. 18% legal or 37% illegal? Up to you.

[shahmaran]

25%-29%??? No way Turko. We will keep the 63% of land and the 100% of legality and recognition and let you rot in the pseudo then. You can't screw us both ways and keep more land and have recognition also!! It is one or the other. So choose. 18% legal or 37% illegal? Up to you.

Thank god the political opportunities in this world are not half as limited as your brains Sotos

[bilako22]

25%-29%??? No way Turko. We will keep the 63% of land and the 100% of legality and recognition and let you rot in the pseudo then. You can't screw us both ways and keep more land and have recognition also!! It is one or the other. So choose. 18% legal or 37% illegal? Up to you.

The 37% legal is our aim . Perhaps one day it may be 100%.

[Kikapu]

An excellent response Kikapu, but in the case of Bananiot it will go to waste because I’m sure you haven’t told him anything he doesn’t already know, therefore one can surmise that unfortunately it’s not in everyone’s interests that Cyprus be a free, democratic, and contiguous state.

GR,

Perhaps and then again, perhaps not. In any case, this is the way I see things happening and if Bananiot who claims of not wanting to see a partition occur, then he can see from my prospective on why and how a partition can occur with the 2004 AP, or even a plan that he supports that is something similar at present negotiations with the belief that a partition will not occur. Bananiot's whole concern is not to have a partition and I commend him for that. The problem is, can his support of the 2004 AP or something based on that plan will prevent a partition.

I hope Bananiot can see my points of view objectively and tell me why my views are not cause for concern, because his views in accepting anything close to the 2004 AP causes me a lot of concern for a legal partition and possible further bloodshed down the road.

[miltiades]

An excellent response Kikapu, but in the case of Bananiot it will go to waste because I’m sure you haven’t told him anything he doesn’t already know, therefore one can surmise that unfortunately it’s not in everyone’s interests that Cyprus be a free, democratic, and contiguous state.

What defines a " contiguous sate " ???
I can understand the meaning if it was in the right context but in this instance what does it mean ??