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[boomerang]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

[Eric dayi]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

The problem was never "an ongoing war of ethnic dominance",as far as I am concerned,Shah...I know it was presented like that,but the real aim was always to prevent the unification of the people of Cyprus under one multiethnic nation,one multiethnic people...You know as well as I do why this was done and by whom...Lets not reinvent the wheel here...

I know that the successive GC administration did not do enough to foster trust and understanding between the two communities. I will give you that..But tell me what the TCs do to contribute to the same cause...What the GCs see are a community of Cypriots who are collaborating in the invasion of their own country...A community too afraid of raising their voice to demand even their basic democratic rights,a community scared into submission to Turkish rule,at the expense of losing their dignity,identity,and sense of self...As long as we keep denying our part in the tragedy,we cannot expect any help from the GCs...

As long as we insist that without Turkey we are "lunch" for the GCs who are waiting to jump on us with steak knives,and we should always have our "mother's" guarantee that we would be treated well by our compatriots,there is no hope of a solution and no hope of us,TCs finding our place in the bright Cyprus sun. Nobody is going to give up anything on a plate. We have to risk something to rid ourselves of the chains in which we have been put. I will say it again,we have no chance of preventing assimilation with the Turkish culture and society,simply because we speak the same language and religion,and because of the numbers involved and the intransigent nature of Turkish society....We have a very good chance, now with EU observation,to hold our own with our GC compatriots who speak a different language and religion from us...

This point is the key all my thinking...Our chance of being assimilated by the GC society is nil...Our chance of NOT being assimilated by the Turkish society is also NIL...But we keep insisting on going to bed with those we feel closer to us,but who treat us and our democratic rights with disdain...
We must be a community of chicken-hearted masochists...There is no other explanation...

So basically what you are saying is that, people who are afraid that history might repeat it self are actually disillusioned?

So the fact that the RoC's only real offers on the table all equal to the disarmament of the TC community -and i dont only mean in literal terms- is purely because they want to unite with their brothers and sisters for 1 mutli-ethnic Cyprus, nevermind the fact that we will be living under their rule.

Therefore, first we give up the Turkish army and have no phisical defence, then we disown them as guarantoors so they have no chance to ever intervene again, and then we send back all the Turks and end up with a population that hardly equals to a minority that can claim anything (the Chinese would probably have more rights than us), and then hopefully they will open their arms and welcome us with flowers as their long missed compatriots?

Dont you see the insidious sequence of goals that they are following? Or is everyone as "paranoid" as you say?

Shah...At the moment we are living under Turkish rule..I don't think you will deny this...We really have no say in our own fate...We are a
"kept" community,and our keeper has the right to do whatever she wants with us...And who can blame her???

I never said lets throw everything out tomorrow...The baby with the bathwater...Lets sit down and sign a new agreement..A democratic one which will give no importance or special privilege to ones ethnic origins...To make us feel safer,we can be represented perhaps 60/40 at the security forces level,I don't know...Lets leave this bizonal bicommunal nonsense behind us...If we dont set our ethnicity in concrete,it will be inconsequential in time..Our numbers would be around 200,000,those in the trnc plus those settlers who will be allowed to stay plus those of us who will return from the diaspora...We can lie in a democratic country,within EU guidelines re human rights and equal opportunity principles... The rule of the law would be supreme...We can set up commissions to make sure everyone is treated equally...What are U afraid of??? No one can stop us from speaking our language or practising our religion???How are we going to be assimilated??? Everyone will learn both languages,we will be so much richer emotionally,intellectually and spiritually...If you tell me,that like Eric you are afraid that the GCs are waiting to slaughter us on mass the minute Turkey pulls back,yes,I will say you are being extremely paranoid...There is no other way of making us disappear in a united democratic country,except mass genocide...do you in all seriousness and honesty think that is a possibility in Cyprus in 2010??????

The lunatic Birkibrisli who hates and is racist against his own people and their well being is again demonstrating his stupidity.

"Everyone will learn both languages"?

Oh yes, I can just picture the Greeks and GCs allowing their kids to learn the language of their enemies and calling Turkish Cypriot towns by their Turkish names.

I can already hear the "Cypriot national anthem" being sung in Greek and Turkish at the same time.

I can hear the Army officers shouting orders in both languages.

I can hear the "Cypriot President" speaking to the world, at the EU meeting and anywhere else giving speeches in both Turkish and Greek.

Anyone can walk up to an Official and he/she will be able to understand which ever language one speaks to him/her in.

I mean, it's done all over the world so why can't we do it in a "democratic Cypriot country" ey?

Bir, try to sit on what you are talking out of, the stink that comes out of your arse is killing everyone.

[shahmaran]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

Oh G thanks, how many decades of opression, slavery, and 2nd class citizenship have they had to endure before they even had a chance to fight for their right to be a normal person? Even more important, has it totaly been eradicated from the US today?

Thanks but no thanks "boomers=the forum fart" I think ill just stay exactly where i am for now...

[Nikitas]

Eric,

The idea is not to speak the others' language, just to understand it when it is spoken. This is much easier than learning to speak, which involves accent, intonation and some talent. Understanding is much easier.

It happens this way in Switzerland where the president speaks in his native language (German, French or Italian) and the cabinet members understand him or her.

You make it sound like an impossible task but you express the idea in English not in Turkish.

[Eric dayi]

"But all the time since God knows when, the GCs tried to assimilate us TCs into the GCs community by making sure that we learned their language and "fitted in" with them "

How was this done? As far as I remember and read, the British allowed the two communities to have separate schooling. This was carried on after 1960. There were no compulsory Greek lessons in TC schools. There were also separate inspection systems for each community's schools.

What I do recall is that some TCs spoke Greek and some GCs spoke Turkish, mostly those that lived in mixed villages. The rest used English to communicate. I remember shopping in the area they now call Lokmaci and if the shopkeeper did not understand Greek or English a neighbor would come along and help sort out the language problem.

There were no efforts for assimilation. The GC side in the 50s and 60s was not that sophisticated!

Isn't it funny nikitas that most of your comrades insist that most TCs spoke Greek and some idiots even claim ALL TCs spoke Greek and because of this the official language in Cyprus must be Greek.

And then you come along and claim that only "some TCs spoke Greek".

You stories, propaganda and claims differ so much and you wonder why we don't trust a word that comes out of your mouths.

[Eric dayi]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

Oh G thanks, how many decades of opression, slavery, and 2nd class citizenship have they had to endure before they even had a chance to fight for their right to be a normal person? Even more important, has it totaly been eradicated from the US today?

Thanks but no thanks "boomers=the forum fart" I think ill just stay exactly where i am for now...

And it's still not sure that he will be elected or will not be assassinated because some "white power" racist twat doesn't want a Black President.

500+ years the African Americans had to fight and die for their Human rights. Some were shot, some were burned alive on the cross and some just disappeared never to be found again. It's only since the 60's that a black person is allowed to sit anywhere in a bus/train, drink from the same water tap, eat in the same restaurant as the white Americans.

And this twat "boomers=the forum fart" tries to pull the wool over our eyes by using the USA as a prime example when the GCs and Greeks absolutely hate Turks and Turkish Cypriots.

What a twat!

[boomerang]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

Oh G thanks, how many decades of opression, slavery, and 2nd class citizenship have they had to endure before they even had a chance to fight for their right to be a normal person? Even more important, has it totaly been eradicated from the US today?

Thanks but no thanks "boomers=the forum fart" I think ill just stay exactly where i am for now...

And it's still not sure that he will be elected or will not be assassinated because some "white power" racist twat doesn't want a Black President.

500+ years the African Americans had to fight and die for their Human rights. Some were shot, some were burned alive on the cross and some just disappeared never to be found again. It's only since the 60's that a black person is allowed to sit anywhere in a bus/train, drink from the same water tap, eat in the same restaurant as the white Americans.

And this twat "boomers=the forum fart" tries to pull the wool over our eyes by using the USA as a prime example when the GCs and Greeks absolutely hate Turks and Turkish Cypriots.

What a twat!

Hey shit for brains there is actually something wrong when ricco i want my turkey slap now comes to your rescue

I think your statement really answered your own question shit for brains, and verified the state of your mind...do you actually proof read what you write?...haven't we endured enough? do we need more?..Is this what you are saying?...The only thing left for you to tell me is, how far is your head is up your ass... well?...

ricco do remember to bring with you some wool the next time i turkey slap you... while you bore me with your constpation theories...what a moron...

[Eric dayi]

Eric,

The idea is not to speak the others' language, just to understand it when it is spoken. This is much easier than learning to speak, which involves accent, intonation and some talent. Understanding is much easier.

This has got to be one of the most idiotic thing I have ever read or heard in my life.

Ok, so you tell me in your Greek language that you want me to do something that I am against and I'll tell you to go to hell in my Turkish language and we understand each other, right?

Yep, a fantastic idea niki. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

It happens this way in Switzerland where the president speaks in his native language (German, French or Italian) and the cabinet members understand him or her.

They can understand three languages but can't reply in the language the speaker is addressing them in.

Do you mean to say that they are that stupid and can't speak a language they can understand perfectly?

Anyone who can understand a foreign language is able to speak the language as well even if that person doesn't speak like a native.

You make it sound like an impossible task but you express the idea in English not in Turkish.

Ok, let's see what you have to say about the "Cypriot national Anthem".

What language will that be sung in when as you say all one has to be able to do is understand it only anyway?

Greek?

or

Turkish?

According to what you say above, it shouldn't matter right?

[Eric dayi]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

Oh G thanks, how many decades of opression, slavery, and 2nd class citizenship have they had to endure before they even had a chance to fight for their right to be a normal person? Even more important, has it totaly been eradicated from the US today?

Thanks but no thanks "boomers=the forum fart" I think ill just stay exactly where i am for now...

And it's still not sure that he will be elected or will not be assassinated because some "white power" racist twat doesn't want a Black President.

500+ years the African Americans had to fight and die for their Human rights. Some were shot, some were burned alive on the cross and some just disappeared never to be found again. It's only since the 60's that a black person is allowed to sit anywhere in a bus/train, drink from the same water tap, eat in the same restaurant as the white Americans.

And this twat "boomers=the forum fart" tries to pull the wool over our eyes by using the USA as a prime example when the GCs and Greeks absolutely hate Turks and Turkish Cypriots.

What a twat!

Hey shit for brains there is actually something wrong when ricco i want my turkey slap now comes to your rescue

I think your statement really answered your own question shit for brains, and verified the state of your mind...do you actually proof read what you write?...haven't we endured enough? do we need more?..Is this what you are saying?...The only thing left for you to tell me is, how far is your head is up your ass... well?...

ricco do remember to bring with you some wool the next time i turkey slap you... while you bore me with your constpation theories...what a moron...

Delusional twat.

[boomerang]

Somebody better remind the juvenille that an african american is about to be elected as the president of the only super power in the world...

and better still not long ago a greek nearly won that honour...

and I know that comprehension ain't part of his forte, so here is a picture that is worth a million words



But I can see your point. every white american will be migrating

Oh G thanks, how many decades of opression, slavery, and 2nd class citizenship have they had to endure before they even had a chance to fight for their right to be a normal person? Even more important, has it totaly been eradicated from the US today?

Thanks but no thanks "boomers=the forum fart" I think ill just stay exactly where i am for now...

And it's still not sure that he will be elected or will not be assassinated because some "white power" racist twat doesn't want a Black President.

500+ years the African Americans had to fight and die for their Human rights. Some were shot, some were burned alive on the cross and some just disappeared never to be found again. It's only since the 60's that a black person is allowed to sit anywhere in a bus/train, drink from the same water tap, eat in the same restaurant as the white Americans.

And this twat "boomers=the forum fart" tries to pull the wool over our eyes by using the USA as a prime example when the GCs and Greeks absolutely hate Turks and Turkish Cypriots.

What a twat!

Hey shit for brains there is actually something wrong when ricco i want my turkey slap now comes to your rescue

I think your statement really answered your own question shit for brains, and verified the state of your mind...do you actually proof read what you write?...haven't we endured enough? do we need more?..Is this what you are saying?...The only thing left for you to tell me is, how far is your head is up your ass... well?...

ricco do remember to bring with you some wool the next time i turkey slap you... while you bore me with your constpation theories...what a moron...

Delusional twat.

I am delusional or you with your constipational theories...lets put it to a vote...are you up to it my little turkey slapper? ...just say the word and we put up a poll...





As always I knew you would come around for your turkey slapping...you just can't help yourself can you...

Just don't go making yourself ill again, like the last time...



Now that we are reminiscing, how about I dig some of your posts from ATCA that I kept...I think the forum needs some comedy...what do you think my little turkey slapper...