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[shahmaran]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

[BirKibrisli]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

The problem was never "an ongoing war of ethnic dominance",as far as I am concerned,Shah...I know it was presented like that,but the real aim was always to prevent the unification of the people of Cyprus under one multiethnic nation,one multiethnic people...You know as well as I do why this was done and by whom...Lets not reinvent the wheel here...

I know that the successive GC administration did not do enough to foster trust and understanding between the two communities. I will give you that..But tell me what the TCs do to contribute to the same cause...What the GCs see are a community of Cypriots who are collaborating in the invasion of their own country...A community too afraid of raising their voice to demand even their basic democratic rights,a community scared into submission to Turkish rule,at the expense of losing their dignity,identity,and sense of self...As long as we keep denying our part in the tragedy,we cannot expect any help from the GCs...

As long as we insist that without Turkey we are "lunch" for the GCs who are waiting to jump on us with steak knives,and we should always have our "mother's" guarantee that we would be treated well by our compatriots,there is no hope of a solution and no hope of us,TCs finding our place in the bright Cyprus sun. Nobody is going to give up anything on a plate. We have to risk something to rid ourselves of the chains in which we have been put. I will say it again,we have no chance of preventing assimilation with the Turkish culture and society,simply because we speak the same language and religion,and because of the numbers involved and the intransigent nature of Turkish society....We have a very good chance, now with EU observation,to hold our own with our GC compatriots who speak a different language and religion from us...

This point is the key all my thinking...Our chance of being assimilated by the GC society is nil...Our chance of NOT being assimilated by the Turkish society is also NIL...But we keep insisting on going to bed with those we feel closer to us,but who treat us and our democratic rights with disdain...
We must be a community of chicken-hearted masochists...There is no other explanation...

[shahmaran]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

The problem was never "an ongoing war of ethnic dominance",as far as I am concerned,Shah...I know it was presented like that,but the real aim was always to prevent the unification of the people of Cyprus under one multiethnic nation,one multiethnic people...You know as well as I do why this was done and by whom...Lets not reinvent the wheel here...

I know that the successive GC administration did not do enough to foster trust and understanding between the two communities. I will give you that..But tell me what the TCs do to contribute to the same cause...What the GCs see are a community of Cypriots who are collaborating in the invasion of their own country...A community too afraid of raising their voice to demand even their basic democratic rights,a community scared into submission to Turkish rule,at the expense of losing their dignity,identity,and sense of self...As long as we keep denying our part in the tragedy,we cannot expect any help from the GCs...

As long as we insist that without Turkey we are "lunch" for the GCs who are waiting to jump on us with steak knives,and we should always have our "mother's" guarantee that we would be treated well by our compatriots,there is no hope of a solution and no hope of us,TCs finding our place in the bright Cyprus sun. Nobody is going to give up anything on a plate. We have to risk something to rid ourselves of the chains in which we have been put. I will say it again,we have no chance of preventing assimilation with the Turkish culture and society,simply because we speak the same language and religion,and because of the numbers involved and the intransigent nature of Turkish society....We have a very good chance, now with EU observation,to hold our own with our GC compatriots who speak a different language and religion from us...

This point is the key all my thinking...Our chance of being assimilated by the GC society is nil...Our chance of NOT being assimilated by the Turkish society is also NIL...But we keep insisting on going to bed with those we feel closer to us,but who treat us and our democratic rights with disdain...
We must be a community of chicken-hearted masochists...There is no other explanation...

So basically what you are saying is that, people who are afraid that history might repeat it self are actually disillusioned?

So the fact that the RoC's only real offers on the table all equal to the disarmament of the TC community -and i dont only mean in literal terms- is purely because they want to unite with their brothers and sisters for 1 mutli-ethnic Cyprus, nevermind the fact that we will be living under their rule.

Therefore, first we give up the Turkish army and have no phisical defence, then we disown them as guarantoors so they have no chance to ever intervene again, and then we send back all the Turks and end up with a population that hardly equals to a minority that can claim anything (the Chinese would probably have more rights than us), and then hopefully they will open their arms and welcome us with flowers as their long missed compatriots?

Dont you see the insidious sequence of goals that they are following? Or is everyone as "paranoid" as you say?

[Eric dayi]

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

Shah, in a way Piratis is right, the tension has been there since Greece got it's independence in 1822 and the Megali idea was born.

In 1878 when the first British Governor stepped of the ship he was greeted by a Priest (orBishop) and he said something like "Welcome, I trust the new rulers will help the "Cypriot" people to unite with the motherland". He obviously meant ENOSIS.

In 1950's when the UK lost all of it's colonies the GCs thought this is their chance and started terrorising and killing British men and women shooting them in the back in day light while they were shopping.

The GCs then started murdering our people when they realised that we were not going side with them and give them their ENOSIS on a silver platter.

But all the time since God knows when, the GCs tried to assimilate us TCs into the GCs community by making sure that we learned their language and "fitted in" with them believing that we would not side with the Brits when things get serious about ENOSIS to save our hides. The fact that so many TCs spoke Greek and only a handful of GCs spoke a little Turkish is a living proof of this.

The Akritas plan followed the Megali idea in the early 60's and the GCs just waited for a chance and the right time to start implementing the Akritas plan and blame us TCs for starting the what they (GCs) call, "internal conflict".

So Piratis is right in a way, the "tension" was there all the time but only from the GCs side who were after one thing and one thing only, ENOSIS, and they would not let a little thing like genocide get in the way of their dream.

Birkibrisli, obviously knows all this but because of his hate for anything Turkish he would see us TCs get lost within the Greeks and GCs speaking Greek and probably even changing our religion to that of the Greeks rather than "get lost" amongst Turks and stay as Turkish Cypriots. Let's not forget that he has already demanded that we drop the "Turkish" in front of the "Cypriot" and forget our "Turkishness" and become just "Cypriots" to fit in with our Greek Cypriot "brothers" as has kick-a-poonokio.

As far as their concerned, the Akritas plan has worked and the GCs/Greeks have managed to convert them that they hate their own people so much so that kick-a-poonokio has even called the Turks "Mongolians".

I'm just gald that the Akritas plan has only worked with these two otherwise we would be speaking Greek and singing the Greek national anthem. Just see his reply above mine, it tells you everything what this convert wishes for.

[boomerang]

well they don't call you shit for brains for nothing...how about the african americans?...an african american is just about to be elected as president...

Not long ago a greek had a go at it...remember Dukakis?...of cource not...selective memory perhaps?...south africa, rings any bells?

[Eric dayi]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

The problem was never "an ongoing war of ethnic dominance",as far as I am concerned,Shah...I know it was presented like that,but the real aim was always to prevent the unification of the people of Cyprus under one multiethnic nation,one multiethnic people...You know as well as I do why this was done and by whom...Lets not reinvent the wheel here...

I know that the successive GC administration did not do enough to foster trust and understanding between the two communities. I will give you that..But tell me what the TCs do to contribute to the same cause...What the GCs see are a community of Cypriots who are collaborating in the invasion of their own country...A community too afraid of raising their voice to demand even their basic democratic rights,a community scared into submission to Turkish rule,at the expense of losing their dignity,identity,and sense of self...As long as we keep denying our part in the tragedy,we cannot expect any help from the GCs...

As long as we insist that without Turkey we are "lunch" for the GCs who are waiting to jump on us with steak knives,and we should always have our "mother's" guarantee that we would be treated well by our compatriots,there is no hope of a solution and no hope of us,TCs finding our place in the bright Cyprus sun. Nobody is going to give up anything on a plate. We have to risk something to rid ourselves of the chains in which we have been put. I will say it again,we have no chance of preventing assimilation with the Turkish culture and society,simply because we speak the same language and religion,and because of the numbers involved and the intransigent nature of Turkish society....We have a very good chance, now with EU observation,to hold our own with our GC compatriots who speak a different language and religion from us...

This point is the key all my thinking...Our chance of being assimilated by the GC society is nil...Our chance of NOT being assimilated by the Turkish society is also NIL...But we keep insisting on going to bed with those we feel closer to us,but who treat us and our democratic rights with disdain...
We must be a community of chicken-hearted masochists...There is no other explanation...

The only "chicken-hearted masochists" here is you and that other convert kick-a-poonokio, you've both laid down on your backs and lifted your hands and legs up in submission to the Greeks and GCs Akritas plan.

There is no doubt about it, you and kick-a-poonokio are both lunatics in self destruction mode and you want to take the rest of us TCs in hell with you.

Go to hell on you own you lunatic.

[Nikitas]

"But all the time since God knows when, the GCs tried to assimilate us TCs into the GCs community by making sure that we learned their language and "fitted in" with them "

How was this done? As far as I remember and read, the British allowed the two communities to have separate schooling. This was carried on after 1960. There were no compulsory Greek lessons in TC schools. There were also separate inspection systems for each community's schools.

What I do recall is that some TCs spoke Greek and some GCs spoke Turkish, mostly those that lived in mixed villages. The rest used English to communicate. I remember shopping in the area they now call Lokmaci and if the shopkeeper did not understand Greek or English a neighbor would come along and help sort out the language problem.

There were no efforts for assimilation. The GC side in the 50s and 60s was not that sophisticated!

[BirKibrisli]

I think you are giving way too much credit the the other side Birkıbrislı, we haven't done any of this alone, our compatriots want us out or neutralised yet you seem to place all the blame on us, just like Kikapu.

Your logic seems to be in favour of punishing the already punished for being punished...

Basically the GC government has pretty much already achieved their systematic goal but even that is not enough for you, you want them to go ahead with the finishing move

No,Shahmaran...I know very well the role of the GCs played in this sorry saga,and the role of the British and of America...I lived through the 50s and 60s in Cyprus,if you don't know already... I don't see the point of repeating it all,you are doing it all the time...so I am trying to present the other side of the coin...the side you guys seem to want to ignore...The role of the TMT and Turkey...I keep saying this,the TCs came out the worst in this madness,and it is getting worse for us not better...And I am terribly frustrated all of you are unable to move past the events of the 50s and 60s,still happily trade true and dignified life and liberty with imaginary and temporary safety. Safety from an exaggerated and paranoid fear of the GCs...As far as I am concerned the move is well and truly finished...There will be little trace of the TC community on the island within 25 years....The GCs will be facing a Million plus settlers,and Turkey would happily pack up and go home, knowing well the mission of Taksim has been accomplished at the cost of loss of identity and culture of the TCs..But who will miss us anyway???????

Birkıbrıslı, I do see how you are trying to balance the argument which is very noble indeed, however we can't simply forget about what happened in the past, especially because all the bargaining chips on the table are based on what happened in the past and they all tell a different story.

Piratis seems to think we were never welcomed and that the GC would prevail eventually, while on the contrary, others think we were getting on just fine until someone stirred things up. Well I do not understand how people can stir things up in a place which did not have the required atmosphere for it already. Which means Piratis might actually be right, the tension was always there, meaning this is still an on going war for ethnic dominance.

Basically the key elements of the plan for the future of our country and the direction it will take, seems to be history it self, so no we cant really forget about it. But even you tell a different story to the people i know very closely who are older than you and still live in Cyprus, so who do we trust?

If we cant aggree on the past then how can we aggree on the future?

The GC's do not really admit their doings, they simply touch the surface as of the most recent history, yet never go into the long term agendas they have been mustering for centuries, the Akritas plan is a very good example of it, a good example that they work in a step-by-step manner, slowly manouvering us out of this island or unti we are small enough to not pose a threat anymore.

It does not matter that the world might have been succesfully fooled by the GC's, we know that is not the case.

Judging by the way we work as opposed to them, I truly fail to see a way out of this that will be in favour for the TC identity in any way, but the next best option is not the RoC either.

The problem was never "an ongoing war of ethnic dominance",as far as I am concerned,Shah...I know it was presented like that,but the real aim was always to prevent the unification of the people of Cyprus under one multiethnic nation,one multiethnic people...You know as well as I do why this was done and by whom...Lets not reinvent the wheel here...

I know that the successive GC administration did not do enough to foster trust and understanding between the two communities. I will give you that..But tell me what the TCs do to contribute to the same cause...What the GCs see are a community of Cypriots who are collaborating in the invasion of their own country...A community too afraid of raising their voice to demand even their basic democratic rights,a community scared into submission to Turkish rule,at the expense of losing their dignity,identity,and sense of self...As long as we keep denying our part in the tragedy,we cannot expect any help from the GCs...

As long as we insist that without Turkey we are "lunch" for the GCs who are waiting to jump on us with steak knives,and we should always have our "mother's" guarantee that we would be treated well by our compatriots,there is no hope of a solution and no hope of us,TCs finding our place in the bright Cyprus sun. Nobody is going to give up anything on a plate. We have to risk something to rid ourselves of the chains in which we have been put. I will say it again,we have no chance of preventing assimilation with the Turkish culture and society,simply because we speak the same language and religion,and because of the numbers involved and the intransigent nature of Turkish society....We have a very good chance, now with EU observation,to hold our own with our GC compatriots who speak a different language and religion from us...

This point is the key all my thinking...Our chance of being assimilated by the GC society is nil...Our chance of NOT being assimilated by the Turkish society is also NIL...But we keep insisting on going to bed with those we feel closer to us,but who treat us and our democratic rights with disdain...
We must be a community of chicken-hearted masochists...There is no other explanation...

So basically what you are saying is that, people who are afraid that history might repeat it self are actually disillusioned?

So the fact that the RoC's only real offers on the table all equal to the disarmament of the TC community -and i dont only mean in literal terms- is purely because they want to unite with their brothers and sisters for 1 mutli-ethnic Cyprus, nevermind the fact that we will be living under their rule.

Therefore, first we give up the Turkish army and have no phisical defence, then we disown them as guarantoors so they have no chance to ever intervene again, and then we send back all the Turks and end up with a population that hardly equals to a minority that can claim anything (the Chinese would probably have more rights than us), and then hopefully they will open their arms and welcome us with flowers as their long missed compatriots?

Dont you see the insidious sequence of goals that they are following? Or is everyone as "paranoid" as you say?

Shah...At the moment we are living under Turkish rule..I don't think you will deny this...We really have no say in our own fate...We are a
"kept" community,and our keeper has the right to do whatever she wants with us...And who can blame her???

I never said lets throw everything out tomorrow...The baby with the bathwater...Lets sit down and sign a new agreement..A democratic one which will give no importance or special privilege to ones ethnic origins...To make us feel safer,we can be represented perhaps 60/40 at the security forces level,I don't know...Lets leave this bizonal bicommunal nonsense behind us...If we dont set our ethnicity in concrete,it will be inconsequential in time..Our numbers would be around 200,000,those in the trnc plus those settlers who will be allowed to stay plus those of us who will return from the diaspora...We can lie in a democratic country,within EU guidelines re human rights and equal opportunity principles... The rule of the law would be supreme...We can set up commissions to make sure everyone is treated equally...What are U afraid of??? No one can stop us from speaking our language or practising our religion???How are we going to be assimilated??? Everyone will learn both languages,we will be so much richer emotionally,intellectually and spiritually...If you tell me,that like Eric you are afraid that the GCs are waiting to slaughter us on mass the minute Turkey pulls back,yes,I will say you are being extremely paranoid...There is no other way of making us disappear in a united democratic country,except mass genocide...do you in all seriousness and honesty think that is a possibility in Cyprus in 2010??????

[shahmaran]

I dont think the GC's are stupid enough to use the genocide card one more time Birkıbrıslı, but there are many ways to achieve their goal of ethnic dominance, either by totally eradicating us or by neutralising the ones on the island.

Basically the 1st one blew in their faces but the second seems to be working like a charm.

Plus why should i live under their rule? This is my country!

Any other time a democratic system is fine but these people have cheated their way into a position where they have used sinister methods to manipulate the situation where even a democratic system would be in their own favour through overwhelming majority.

So now they can push for democracy all they like and hell, who would't be in the right mind to deny a real democracy right?

[Get Real!]

I dont think the GC's are stupid enough to use the genocide card one more time Birkıbrıslı, but there are many ways to achieve their goal of ethnic dominance, either by totally eradicating us or by neutralising the ones on the island.

Basically the 1st one blew in their faces but the second seems to be working like a charm.

Plus why should i kıve under their rule? This is my country!

So what are we on now... Genocide VII? Sorry, I'm a bit behind...