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[miltiades]

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

It's HOW they killed him that sucks! I would've given him one final joy ride by shoving a napalm up his arse and firing it up so he can loop back to where he came from... ever seen a Turkish shooting star?

Be honest , at the sight of Turkish soldiers or airplanes cowards like yourself would have pissed in your pants.

It takes one to know one , Plonker I mean !!

[Viewpoint]

VP, you are right about the 11 years of preparation not to allow an already been plotted since before 1960 Turkish invasion! It is true that these 11 years of preparation went so deep that had most of the fortifications been manned on time, and most of the contingency plans on all the various scenarios had been implemented in practice, Turkey would have never been able to land a soldier in Cyprus! However, as I have already explained to you, the situation that had emerged as a result of the coup and the civil war between the GCs and the overtaken by the Greek junta NG (army,) did not allow any of these defensive plans to be put in motion, and most of the fortifications to be manned on time! As a result, the entire defensive system collapsed, making the invasion by Turkey -a country 100 times bigger than us, to become a "successful story!"

You are free to believe and eat any garbage they would like to feed you in the north, about the “glory” of the Turkish armed forces and the “heroic” fighting the mehmetcik have put up with! We know that nothing of all these is further from the truth about 1974! Turkish troops had not been engaged on the 5th mile in Kyrenia, but only 1.5 hours after they started landing at 8:15 am of the July the 20th, and this by only one battalion of poorly armed reservists, whose actual armament was mostly removed and taken in the possession of the coupists during the previous days. By that time it was too late, as the Turkish troops on the ground numbered about 1 contingent of marines that had managed to take positions around the area of the landing spot! All the forces that were assigned to move to Kyrenia and take positions in manning all the fortifications, were kept “busy” in Nicosia and other far away places, guarding the coupists, instead of having been moved to their defense positions from the previous night. As a result of them been mobilized in the morning of the invasion and under day light conditions, most of them were attacked and neutralized on route by the Turkish air force! Whatever resistance shown against the Turkish invading forces was both late coming and at substantially inferior numbers than it could have possibly been, had the coup did not completely disorganize the army and the country as a whole! Even so, it is true that the Turkish army did face a lot of difficulties and did sustain some heavy losses!

This is the plain truth about 1974, which is why we rightfully mark the 15th of July as a day of ultimate treason for both the attempt to overthrow democracy and the fact that it paved the way for the planned Turkish invasion to attain a successful outcome!

You are free to believe whatever you wish as it does not change the end result which is you dug yourselves into the position you are in today, your dream for enosis was the begining of division.

[miltiades]

VP , There was absolutely nothing untoward in 80 % of the Cypriot people wanting to chart their own destiny .
Today the Turkish people in Turkey take decisions rightly or wrongly regardless of the wishes of the Kurdish people. Many T/Cs make far too much noise about ENOSIS , it was the wish of the overwhelming majority , not a crime and not an unreasonable demand.Thank God in never happened , with hindsight that is .

[shahmaran]

How many TC`s were included in this "overwhelming majority" Miltiades?

[Viewpoint]

VP , There was absolutely nothing untoward in 80 % of the Cypriot people wanting to chart their own destiny .
Today the Turkish people in Turkey take decisions rightly or wrongly regardless of the wishes of the Kurdish people. Many T/Cs make far too much noise about ENOSIS , it was the wish of the overwhelming majority , not a crime and not an unreasonable demand.Thank God in never happened , with hindsight that is .

But at the time you wanted to gamble with my future and even my life, this meant that we had to fight for survival which is exactly what we did. The majority can also be wrong and gifting Cyprus to Greece was wrong, they should have concentrated in building a united Cyprus including the TCs.

[Get Real!]

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

It's HOW they killed him that sucks! I would've given him one final joy ride by shoving a napalm up his arse and firing it up so he can loop back to where he came from... ever seen a Turkish shooting star?

Be honest , at the sight of Turkish soldiers or airplanes cowards like yourself would have pissed in your pants.

Between 1983..86, I had personally arrested two Turkish soldiers seeking asylum, one double agent TC shepherd, and a married couple of British tourists in a Z car photographing military areas.

Having literally lived with Turkish soldiers for around three years of my life, instead of pissing in my pants when I’d see them, I would tend to get an itchy index finger and I’m sure they felt the same about me…

[Big Al]

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

It's HOW they killed him that sucks! I would've given him one final joy ride by shoving a napalm up his arse and firing it up so he can loop back to where he came from... ever seen a Turkish shooting star?

Be honest , at the sight of Turkish soldiers or airplanes cowards like yourself would have pissed in your pants.

Between 1983..86, I had personally arrested two Turkish soldiers seeking asylum, one double agent TC shepherd, and a married couple of British tourists in a Z car photographing military areas.

Having literally lived with Turkish soldiers for around three years of my life, instead of pissing in my pants when I’d see them, I would tend to get an itchy index finger and I’m sure they felt the same about me…

[miltiades]

How many TC`s were included in this "overwhelming majority" Miltiades?

Sha , of all people on this forum you know perfectly well where I stand .
The overwhelming majority were G/Cs. Nowhere in the world is there a nation where the wishes of the majority , and a huge majority at that , can be considered as undemocratic, dictatorial or unreasonable.
The fact that the chosen end of the liberation struggle was , with hindsight , the wrong one does not render the wishes of the majority as discriminatory against the T/Cs.
The grave mistakes made by political leaders at the time was their continued allegiance to two foreign nations , 45 years on and we still have this huge problem to overcome . I'm of the opinion that the North part of Cyprus might never recover and that the Turkish Cypriot will become extinct as time moves on. It will be a tragedy and one that hopefully the present leaders can address.
Where the "TRNC" is desperately trying to get at least some recognition , the demographics are changing daily , a fact that all international bodies are aware of is that the huge majority in the "TRNC" is not made up of the indigenous T/C population but by settlers from Turkey , an indisputable fact and a solid argument by the ROC is that if recognition is granted it will be the acceptance that an occupying power ( Turkey is seen as that by all International organizations ) by transferring large numbers of its own people into areas occupied can then claim recognition of an entity which can not claim that the very people its suppose to represent , ie The Turkish Cypriots , are the majority.
You must also agree that a good argument put forward by the ROC is that Turkey does not recognise a nation that the ENTIRE world does.
Many mistakes here not least the name chosen ie "TRNC"

[bilako22]

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

It's HOW they killed him that sucks! I would've given him one final joy ride by shoving a napalm up his arse and firing it up so he can loop back to where he came from... ever seen a Turkish shooting star?

Be honest , at the sight of Turkish soldiers or airplanes cowards like yourself would have pissed in your pants.

It takes one to know one , Plonker I mean !!

Not really plonker.

[miltiades]

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

It's HOW they killed him that sucks! I would've given him one final joy ride by shoving a napalm up his arse and firing it up so he can loop back to where he came from... ever seen a Turkish shooting star?

Be honest , at the sight of Turkish soldiers or airplanes cowards like yourself would have pissed in your pants.

It takes one to know one , Plonker I mean !!

Not really plonker.

Will just ignore you from now on boy ! Go play marbles and eat your ice cream !!