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[Get Real!]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

That spineless peasant was VERY lucky that I wasn't the one who found him dangling off a tree...

Probably a very natural reaction because if anyone dropped any napalm in my general direction, I would be one very angry Paphiti. I would also want to get up close and personal with that pilot.

GR, please also acknowledge that trained military pilots are soldiers just like you are with the CNG. There is absolutely no differance. They are also highly trained individuals that quite often do not see who is on the receiving end of their wrath. These pilots are also family men and women and they do not take enjoyment in bombing anyone.

Thankfully, airpower today is very different to what it was in the past. Ordnance is delivered with great accuracy (within 10m) to the target which limits significantly any civilian loss of life. As you know very well, air ordnance is guided either via GPS, Radiation signatures (HARM missiles), laser and inertial guidance. Many are fire and forget and can be fired from over 100km away. Today Single Shot Kill Probability is almost guaranteed as against the older method of carpet bombing so as to guarantee to hit the target and also causing huge civilian loss of life. I would also like to reiterate that pilots are not spineless individuals.

A “spineless pilot” is a hotshot who spreads death and destruction on a mass scale from the skies against a people who cannot properly defend themselves.

Now that the RoC has acquired and is installing French Mistral S2A computerized automated systems acclaimed to have a 96% accuracy, I’d like to see these Turkish hotshot pilots attack again…

Or perhaps they might want to have an attempt at a ground assault against the National Guard’s hundreds of Milan mobile guided missile launchers and our ever-growing numbers of Russian Hind MIL-MI 35P choppers…

[Paphitis]

Torture is an effective way of obtaining intelligence. !

You will find that there are a lot of military personal would disagree with you, that torture is NOT a very effective way to get information. The person being tortured for information is going to say anything they can to stay alive and give incorrect information at the same time, since they know that they are likely to be killed anyway. Relying on information obtained from torture is as good as no information at all most of the time. Written information found on the pilot or enemy in general is more useful than what he says under torture.

You will not find any written information on the pilot. Uniforms are also void of rank which means that the pilot can also understate their true rank. Captured pilots are almost guaranteed to be killed especially if caught by Taliban or Iraqi Insurgents. If captured by these forces, you can probably expect the worst. You could probably also say the same for any other countries in time of war. Few countries would adhere to proper Geneva conventions. Pilots are trained to only provide serial number and rank.

Pilots are also trained in enemy evasion and jungle survival. In the case of the RAAF, you are dropped in a dense rain forrest area around Townsville with Australian Army on your tail. You are left in that jungle for 2 weeks living off rations, rain, hail or shine. If the Australian army captures you, the first thing they will tell you is "you are dead".

[Kikapu]

This is an article I wrote on the pilot Captain Cengiz Topel in May 22, 2006.

I remember while in Turkey in 1964, an event took place that disturbed the whole country. I had to look up recently to get the dates and names. It was 8th August, 1964 when a small squadron of Turkish Air Force was sent on a mission to attack Greeks positions in Cyprus, when one of the jets was shot down, and it was reported that the pilot had ejected. The whole country was glued to their radios to get as much news as possible. I was only 9 years old, but I still remember the intensity and the conversations that took place regarding the out come of the downed pilot. After 4 days of waiting, it was reported by the Greeks that the pilot has died in the hospital from his injuries, trying to land his crippled jet. That day the whole country of Turkey cried for the pilot and his family. The pilots name was, Captain Cengiz Topel. It was determined later that the pilot was tortured and killed by the Greeks using fire to burn him alive. The examination of the body by Dr. Peter Kristensen and Dr. Finn Soensen from the UNFICY did not support the Greeks version of injuries caused by crash landing.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=10

[miltiades]

GR , being his usual stupid self , of course not only supports the way this pilot died but he also wishes that HE had found him alive dangling from a tree !!! What an absolute idiot. What on earth would you have down prick , gorge his eyes out or cut his testicles and stuff them in his mouth.
Your support of the savage suicide indiscriminate killers is enough evidence of how corrupt your entire outlook is.
So we now have the latest in anti aircraft missiles so lets have Turkey hey !!
I'm consistent in my views , I have never changed , I do support America I do support the West I do support a peaceful settlement with Turkey and I abhor people such as Eric and you who consider themselves so fucking smart when in fact your both Plonkers and dangerous individuals. Eric supports the Iraqi insurgents too I beleive and the death of innocents as a result o a f..ng nutter blowing himself up is just as a happy event for him as it is for you. GR , go on son , give me some of that treatment that you always threaten people with !!! Make sure you enlist the help of Blackwater !!!!!

[bilako22]

You are a right pillock mate . The TMT was a small organization and stood no chance against you Greek wankers. However, in 1974 you Greeks pissed on yourselves when our big brother came on the scene. Alexander the Gay must be turning in his grave when he sees what a bunch of cowards Greeks like GR how become.

You’ll be lucky to get your quoting right let alone post anything of substance. Do more reading and less posting, for your sake…

Now I am really scared. GR must be areal tough nut.

[bilako22]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

That spineless peasant was VERY lucky that I wasn't the one who found him dangling off a tree...

The pillock boasts once more.

[bilako22]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

And dropping napalm on civilians is not an atrocity?

Do you agree that they must have been stupid to have killed the defenseless pilot?

[bilako22]

Miltiades, if you want to be accurate and not send the wrong messages at the same time, a war between Greece and Turkey will bring no winner and will be catastrophic for both countries! If you take a look at the war making inventories of both countries, they are at par on all levels. The larger number of Turkish ground troops is offset by the larger size of the country and the need to protect other fronts on its rear end, plus that Greece has a slight technological advantage and a much better air-defense system!

What a joke . We saw in 1974 how brave greece and GCs were.

EOKA smashed the TMT in every respect despite the TMT receiving constant arms shipments at the Kokkina point, and fighter jet assistance by Turkey at least on one occasion, during which Turkey even lost one plane to GC light weapons fire and the ejected pilot paying the ultimate price at the hands of GCs who found him (I forget his name).

The TMT proved it could not fight its own battles so quit embarrassing your community any further with hot air, because good fighters they never proved to be. This is the second time I’ve caught you out posting rubbish on the matter… if there’s a next time you’ll get the GR treatment.

As for Turkey's military performance in July 1974, you can read about it here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus10123.htm[/quot

You are a right pillock mate . The TMT was a small organization and stood no chance against you Greek wankers. However, in 1974 you Greeks pissed on yourselves when our big brother came on the scene. Alexander the Gay must be turning in his grave when he sees what a bunch of cowards Greeks like GR how become.

You are the coward mate. For spreading your message of hatred and division. It is good that persons such as yourself are in the minority.

GCs do not mean any harm to you TCs. I think we are all better off with a peace settlement and reconciliation. What do you think?

EOKA and TMT are now mere dinosaurs of the past. Most people now just want to get on with their lives.

We are all cowards. Sure , lets have a peace settlement

[bigOz]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

That spineless peasant was VERY lucky that I wasn't the one who found him dangling off a tree...

Probably a very natural reaction because if anyone dropped any napalm in my general direction, I would be one very angry Paphiti. I would also want to get up close and personal with that pilot.

GR, please also acknowledge that trained military pilots are soldiers just like you are with the CNG. There is absolutely no differance. They are also highly trained individuals that quite often do not see who is on the receiving end of their wrath. These pilots are also family men and women and they do not take enjoyment in bombing anyone.

Thankfully, airpower today is very different to what it was in the past. Ordnance is delivered with great accuracy (within 10m) to the target which limits significantly any civilian loss of life. As you know very well, air ordnance is guided either via GPS, Radiation signatures (HARM missiles), laser and inertial guidance. Many are fire and forget and can be fired from over 100km away. Today Single Shot Kill Probability is almost guaranteed as against the older method of carpet bombing so as to guarantee to hit the target and also causing huge civilian loss of life. I would also like to reiterate that pilots are not spineless individuals.

A “spineless pilot” is a hotshot who spreads death and destruction on a mass scale from the skies against a people who cannot properly defend themselves.

Now that the RoC has acquired and is installing French Mistral S2A computerized automated systems acclaimed to have a 96% accuracy, I’d like to see these Turkish hotshot pilots attack again…

Or perhaps they might want to have an attempt at a ground assault against the National Guard’s hundreds of Milan mobile guided missile launchers and our ever-growing numbers of Russian Hind MIL-MI 35P choppers…

I am not here but I am watching you closely Get Real (you still have not!). Since when did any of this anti aircraft missiles stops fighter jets from carrying out destruction on who they please?

I'LL BE BACK!!!

[Get Real!]

I am not here but I am watching you closely Get Real (you still have not!). Since when did any of this anti aircraft missiles stops fighter jets from carrying out destruction on who they please?

I'LL BE BACK!!!

Welcome back bigoz, long time no see…

Do come back… as if you’re fate on the forum would be any different now…

I would take my hat off to any pilot who manages to fly through a Mistral protected region, hit his target, and fly back out again in one piece…