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[Nikitas]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

[Paphitis]

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

I am actually very disappointed that he was killed so soon when in fact he should’ve been forced to rebuild all the homes he burned down with napalm, and then handed over to all those civilians who found charcoaled family members.

You are of course forgetting that this wretched man was carrying out orders . Barbarism is never justified but since you are a committed supporter of the savages causing havoc in Iraq I can understand.
In response to Shah , let him understand that the majority of G/Cs would endorse my condemnation of such an act as I'm sure that the majority of T/Cs would do likewise in the case of the young G/C shot while ascending the flag pole.

Orders or no orders Miltiades, napalm bombing civilian targets is also a war crime, and both the ones issuing the orders and the ones executing them, are equally punishable!

Kifeas , I think again you are misunderstanding my point. I'm not justifying the use of napalm or any other means in attacking civilian targets. I'm purely saying that this pilot took off from Turkey under orders , just as any other fighter pilot would have done. Having been shot down the correct treatment should have been a civilized one , not beat him to a pulp , burn him or torture him . Civilization demands that man acts in a humane fashion because acting in any other fashion renders him open to an accusation of barbarity. In our world we do not chop peoples arms off for stealing , we do not shoot women who have been raped , we do not put prisoners in dungeons and torture them

You have constantly voiced your support of the US’s ILLEGAL invasion/occupation and incalculable atrocities committed in Iraq, yet you now want to bring up “human rights” in support of spineless Turkish pilots dropping hell from the “safety” of the sky on CIVILLIANS… (<- proven fact)

It’s your screwed up “moral values” and contradictory stances that have gradually earned you the “Pappou Skata” title so don’t complain…

Over to Kifeas…

Pilots do have human rights. Pilots are no different to any other soldier on the ground. They are trained to fight wars and to reak havoc onto the enemy. There are POW conventions designed to protect the rights of downed and captured pilots or soldiers as POWs under the Geneva Concention. Of course most downed pilots do not expect greetings, flowers and a welcome from his captors. The most you can probably expect is a dam bullet to the head if they are not unlucky enough to be tortured beforehand.

And pilots are not spineless!

[bilako22]

Miltiades, if you want to be accurate and not send the wrong messages at the same time, a war between Greece and Turkey will bring no winner and will be catastrophic for both countries! If you take a look at the war making inventories of both countries, they are at par on all levels. The larger number of Turkish ground troops is offset by the larger size of the country and the need to protect other fronts on its rear end, plus that Greece has a slight technological advantage and a much better air-defense system!

What a joke . We saw in 1974 how brave greece and GCs were.

EOKA smashed the TMT in every respect despite the TMT receiving constant arms shipments at the Kokkina point, and fighter jet assistance by Turkey at least on one occasion, during which Turkey even lost one plane to GC light weapons fire and the ejected pilot paying the ultimate price at the hands of GCs who found him (I forget his name).

The TMT proved it could not fight its own battles so quit embarrassing your community any further with hot air, because good fighters they never proved to be. This is the second time I’ve caught you out posting rubbish on the matter… if there’s a next time you’ll get the GR treatment.

As for Turkey's military performance in July 1974, you can read about it here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus10123.htm[/quot

You are a right pillock mate . The TMT was a small organization and stood no chance against you Greek wankers. However, in 1974 you Greeks pissed on yourselves when our big brother came on the scene. Alexander the Gay must be turning in his grave when he sees what a bunch of cowards Greeks like GR how become.

[bilako22]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

[Paphitis]

Miltiades, if you want to be accurate and not send the wrong messages at the same time, a war between Greece and Turkey will bring no winner and will be catastrophic for both countries! If you take a look at the war making inventories of both countries, they are at par on all levels. The larger number of Turkish ground troops is offset by the larger size of the country and the need to protect other fronts on its rear end, plus that Greece has a slight technological advantage and a much better air-defense system!

What a joke . We saw in 1974 how brave greece and GCs were.

EOKA smashed the TMT in every respect despite the TMT receiving constant arms shipments at the Kokkina point, and fighter jet assistance by Turkey at least on one occasion, during which Turkey even lost one plane to GC light weapons fire and the ejected pilot paying the ultimate price at the hands of GCs who found him (I forget his name).

The TMT proved it could not fight its own battles so quit embarrassing your community any further with hot air, because good fighters they never proved to be. This is the second time I’ve caught you out posting rubbish on the matter… if there’s a next time you’ll get the GR treatment.

As for Turkey's military performance in July 1974, you can read about it here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus10123.htm[/quot

You are a right pillock mate . The TMT was a small organization and stood no chance against you Greek wankers. However, in 1974 you Greeks pissed on yourselves when our big brother came on the scene. Alexander the Gay must be turning in his grave when he sees what a bunch of cowards Greeks like GR how become.

You are the coward mate. For spreading your message of hatred and division. It is good that persons such as yourself are in the minority.

GCs do not mean any harm to you TCs. I think we are all better off with a peace settlement and reconciliation. What do you think?

EOKA and TMT are now mere dinosaurs of the past. Most people now just want to get on with their lives.

[Paphitis]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

And dropping napalm on civilians is not an atrocity?

[Get Real!]

You are a right pillock mate . The TMT was a small organization and stood no chance against you Greek wankers. However, in 1974 you Greeks pissed on yourselves when our big brother came on the scene. Alexander the Gay must be turning in his grave when he sees what a bunch of cowards Greeks like GR how become.

You’ll be lucky to get your quoting right let alone post anything of substance. Do more reading and less posting, for your sake…

[Get Real!]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

That spineless peasant was VERY lucky that I wasn't the one who found him dangling off a tree...

[Paphitis]

This is not just per the question at hand but about pilots and air forces in general. These guys are trained to Bachelor of Engineering standards and then use their knowledge to drop horrific weapons on people from 5000 feet up. The people who receive these weapons fry. Then on pilot who has been doing the frying drops to the ground and the victims fry him, and that is treated as the major crime, not the original frying which was on a hugely larger scale.

Are you guys nuts or what! Naturally people who have been bombed are going to vent their rage on the fucking pilot! It would be unnatural if they did not. Ask the journalists who were bombed because they were mistaken for Serbs in Kossovo how they felt about it. Everyone of them said they wanted to get hold of the pilot and get friendly with him.

The idiots who murdered the pilot were too stupid to realise that they would pay heavily for this atrocity.

That spineless peasant was VERY lucky that I wasn't the one who found him dangling off a tree...

Probably a very natural reaction because if anyone dropped any napalm in my general direction, I would be one very angry Paphiti. I would also want to get up close and personal with that pilot.

GR, please also acknowledge that trained military pilots are soldiers just like you are with the CNG. There is absolutely no differance. They are also highly trained individuals that quite often do not see who is on the receiving end of their wrath. These pilots are also family men and women and they do not take enjoyment in bombing anyone.

Thankfully, airpower today is very different to what it was in the past. Ordnance is delivered with great accuracy (within 10m) to the target which limits significantly any civilian loss of life. As you know very well, air ordnance is guided either via GPS, Radiation signatures (HARM missiles), laser and inertial guidance. Many are fire and forget and can be fired from over 100km away. Today Single Shot Kill Probability is almost guaranteed as against the older method of carpet bombing so as to guarantee to hit the target and also causing huge civilian loss of life. I would also like to reiterate that pilots are not spineless individuals.

[Kikapu]

Torture is an effective way of obtaining intelligence. !

You will find that there are a lot of military personal would disagree with you, that torture is NOT a very effective way to get information. The person being tortured for information is going to say anything they can to stay alive and give incorrect information at the same time, since they know that they are likely to be killed anyway. Relying on information obtained from torture is as good as no information at all most of the time. Written information found on the pilot or enemy in general is more useful than what he says under torture.