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[Get Real!]

Miltiades, if you want to be accurate and not send the wrong messages at the same time, a war between Greece and Turkey will bring no winner and will be catastrophic for both countries! If you take a look at the war making inventories of both countries, they are at par on all levels. The larger number of Turkish ground troops is offset by the larger size of the country and the need to protect other fronts on its rear end, plus that Greece has a slight technological advantage and a much better air-defense system!

What a joke . We saw in 1974 how brave greece and GCs were.

EOKA smashed the TMT in every respect despite the TMT receiving constant arms shipments at the Kokkina point, and fighter jet assistance by Turkey at least on one occasion, during which Turkey even lost one plane to GC light weapons fire and the ejected pilot paying the ultimate price at the hands of GCs who found him (I forget his name).

The TMT proved it could not fight its own battles so quit embarrassing your community any further with hot air, because good fighters they never proved to be. This is the second time I’ve caught you out posting rubbish on the matter… if there’s a next time you’ll get the GR treatment.

As for Turkey's military performance in July 1974, you can read about it here…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus10123.htm

[Get Real!]

THK in Combat (<-- a type of fighter jet of the 60s)

The battle of Kokkina was well underway when, around 17:00hrs, two THK F-100 Super Sabres made two passes over the battlefield. Several minutes later, additional Turkish four-ship formations followed. This time, the Super Sabres attacked. According to Greek sources, the THK F-100s made between 50 and 60 strafing passes, most of which were ineffective. Nevertheless, at 18:40hrs the local CNG units were ordered to stop the offensive and stabilize their lines: their attacks ceased.

According to Turkish accounts, not only F-100Cs and F-100Ds of the 111 and 181 Filos participated in these strikes, but also F-84Gs from 161 Filo.

They not only strafed but also dropped napalm, and several formations also attacked two Cypriot patrol boats near the port of Gemikonagi, on the northern coast of Cyprus. The leader of this attack was Maj. Hüseyin Capaoglu: his and the following section scored numerous hits on both CNG vessels, setting them afire. Because of thick smoke the third formation – led by Capt. Cengiz Topel approached at a very low level, and was thus exposed to heavy anti-aircraft fire. The leading F-100D – “55-2766” – was hit and shot down, forcing the pilot to eject.

According to contemporary British and Turkish reports Capt. Topel was captured and burned alive by CNG fighters. According to Greek accounts he was badly injured when his aircraft blew up, but landed – still alive – only to be captured by Capt. Kalenterides and 1st Lt. Tsertos. According to Greek reports, Topel died in a hospital. An examination of Topel's body by a Danish specialists and his team on behalf of the UN, and their report, however, are rather damning in their conclusions.

Interestingly, according to Greek sources, in Topel's suit – which was later sent to Athens for examination – the CNG officers should have found also a tactical pilotage chart, with a plotted course to Souda Bay, on Crete. Before dying, Topel supposedly stated that Souda Bay was his “secondary” target during that mission. What kind of purpose should any such action have had at the time, or how should have THK F-100Ds - assigned to attack Cypriot patrol boats near Cyprus - eventually change their mission to strike Souda Bay AB, not to talk about reaching that place after flying a route via Cyprus, however, was never reasonably explained by any Greek sources.

Capt. Cengiz Topel... (I'm sure he was captured and beaten to a pulp)



Read more about him here in Turkish...

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cengiz_Topel

The THK F-100 Super Sabres used by Turks to napalm Greek Cypriots...



Quoted information taken from...
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

[miltiades]

THK in Combat (<-- a type of fighter jet of the 60s)

The battle of Kokkina was well underway when, around 17:00hrs, two THK F-100 Super Sabres made two passes over the battlefield. Several minutes later, additional Turkish four-ship formations followed. This time, the Super Sabres attacked. According to Greek sources, the THK F-100s made between 50 and 60 strafing passes, most of which were ineffective. Nevertheless, at 18:40hrs the local CNG units were ordered to stop the offensive and stabilize their lines: their attacks ceased.

According to Turkish accounts, not only F-100Cs and F-100Ds of the 111 and 181 Filos participated in these strikes, but also F-84Gs from 161 Filo.

They not only strafed but also dropped napalm, and several formations also attacked two Cypriot patrol boats near the port of Gemikonagi, on the northern coast of Cyprus. The leader of this attack was Maj. Hüseyin Capaoglu: his and the following section scored numerous hits on both CNG vessels, setting them afire. Because of thick smoke the third formation – led by Capt. Cengiz Topel approached at a very low level, and was thus exposed to heavy anti-aircraft fire. The leading F-100D – “55-2766” – was hit and shot down, forcing the pilot to eject.

According to contemporary British and Turkish reports Capt. Topel was captured and burned alive by CNG fighters. According to Greek accounts he was badly injured when his aircraft blew up, but landed – still alive – only to be captured by Capt. Kalenterides and 1st Lt. Tsertos. According to Greek reports, Topel died in a hospital. An examination of Topel's body by a Danish specialists and his team on behalf of the UN, and their report, however, are rather damning in their conclusions.

Interestingly, according to Greek sources, in Topel's suit – which was later sent to Athens for examination – the CNG officers should have found also a tactical pilotage chart, with a plotted course to Souda Bay, on Crete. Before dying, Topel supposedly stated that Souda Bay was his “secondary” target during that mission. What kind of purpose should any such action have had at the time, or how should have THK F-100Ds - assigned to attack Cypriot patrol boats near Cyprus - eventually change their mission to strike Souda Bay AB, not to talk about reaching that place after flying a route via Cyprus, however, was never reasonably explained by any Greek sources.

Capt. Cengiz Topel... (I'm sure he was captured and beaten to a pulp)



Read more about him here in Turkish...

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cengiz_Topel

The THK F-100 Super Sabres used by Turks to napalm Greek Cypriots...



Quoted information taken from...
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

[shahmaran]

The guy was tortured to death, any idiot with half an eye who sees the pictures of his corpse can tell he was not "burned" to death, nor does he look like someone who has managed to safely eject from his plane and then somehow died later on in the hospital from "injuries".

The "hospital" he died in is 10 minutes from my house and everyone knows that place was not just a hospital back then.

So much for the one sided blame game that occasionally flies around here, regarding how the Turks don't take any prisoners

[Get Real!]

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

I am actually very disappointed that he was killed so soon when in fact he should’ve been forced to rebuild all the homes he burned down with napalm, and then handed over to all those civilians who found charcoaled family members.

[Paphitis]

THK in Combat (<-- a type of fighter jet of the 60s)

The battle of Kokkina was well underway when, around 17:00hrs, two THK F-100 Super Sabres made two passes over the battlefield. Several minutes later, additional Turkish four-ship formations followed. This time, the Super Sabres attacked. According to Greek sources, the THK F-100s made between 50 and 60 strafing passes, most of which were ineffective. Nevertheless, at 18:40hrs the local CNG units were ordered to stop the offensive and stabilize their lines: their attacks ceased.

According to Turkish accounts, not only F-100Cs and F-100Ds of the 111 and 181 Filos participated in these strikes, but also F-84Gs from 161 Filo.

They not only strafed but also dropped napalm, and several formations also attacked two Cypriot patrol boats near the port of Gemikonagi, on the northern coast of Cyprus. The leader of this attack was Maj. Hüseyin Capaoglu: his and the following section scored numerous hits on both CNG vessels, setting them afire. Because of thick smoke the third formation – led by Capt. Cengiz Topel approached at a very low level, and was thus exposed to heavy anti-aircraft fire. The leading F-100D – “55-2766” – was hit and shot down, forcing the pilot to eject.

According to contemporary British and Turkish reports Capt. Topel was captured and burned alive by CNG fighters. According to Greek accounts he was badly injured when his aircraft blew up, but landed – still alive – only to be captured by Capt. Kalenterides and 1st Lt. Tsertos. According to Greek reports, Topel died in a hospital. An examination of Topel's body by a Danish specialists and his team on behalf of the UN, and their report, however, are rather damning in their conclusions.

Interestingly, according to Greek sources, in Topel's suit – which was later sent to Athens for examination – the CNG officers should have found also a tactical pilotage chart, with a plotted course to Souda Bay, on Crete. Before dying, Topel supposedly stated that Souda Bay was his “secondary” target during that mission. What kind of purpose should any such action have had at the time, or how should have THK F-100Ds - assigned to attack Cypriot patrol boats near Cyprus - eventually change their mission to strike Souda Bay AB, not to talk about reaching that place after flying a route via Cyprus, however, was never reasonably explained by any Greek sources.

Capt. Cengiz Topel... (I'm sure he was captured and beaten to a pulp)



Read more about him here in Turkish...

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cengiz_Topel

The THK F-100 Super Sabres used by Turks to napalm Greek Cypriots...



Quoted information taken from...
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_454.shtml

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

When at war you can forget about any conventions. This is why pilots are issued with Gloch 0.22 and are also trained in enemy evasion and survival techniques until rescue. I can guarantee you that a pilot shot down behind enemy lines will do everything possible to avoid capture! Afterall, you can not expect to be treated with kiddy gloves or adherance to any treaties after unleashing your hell fire!

[miltiades]

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

I am actually very disappointed that he was killed so soon when in fact he should’ve been forced to rebuild all the homes he burned down with napalm, and then handed over to all those civilians who found charcoaled family members.

You are of course forgetting that this wretched man was carrying out orders . Barbarism is never justified but since you are a commited supporter of the savages causing havoc in Iraq I can understand.
In response to Shah , let him understand that the majority of G/Cs would endorse my condemnation of such an act as I'm sure that the majority of T/Cs would do likewise in the case of the young G/C shot while ascending the flag pole.

[Get Real!]

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

I am actually very disappointed that he was killed so soon when in fact he should’ve been forced to rebuild all the homes he burned down with napalm, and then handed over to all those civilians who found charcoaled family members.

You are of course forgetting that this wretched man was carrying out orders . Barbarism is never justified but since you are a commited supporter of the savages causing havoc in Iraq I can understand.
In response to Shah , let him understand that the majority of G/Cs would endorse my condemnation of such an act as I'm sure that the majority of T/Cs would do likewise in the case of the young G/C shot while ascending the flag pole.

You are one very confused individual...

[Kifeas]

I hope you are not "happy " that the pilot was beaten to a pulp "
There are conventions that govern such events , there is nothing to be proud about killing one Turkish pilot , any more than there is in killing the young G/C man while attempting to lower the Turkish flag.

I am actually very disappointed that he was killed so soon when in fact he should’ve been forced to rebuild all the homes he burned down with napalm, and then handed over to all those civilians who found charcoaled family members.

You are of course forgetting that this wretched man was carrying out orders . Barbarism is never justified but since you are a commited supporter of the savages causing havoc in Iraq I can understand.
In response to Shah , let him understand that the majority of G/Cs would endorse my condemnation of such an act as I'm sure that the majority of T/Cs would do likewise in the case of the young G/C shot while ascending the flag pole.

Orders or no orders Miltiades, napalm bombing civilian targets is also a war crime, and both the ones issuing the orders and the ones executing them, are equally punishable!

[Get Real!]

The guy was tortured to death, any idiot with half an eye who sees the pictures of his corpse can tell he was not "burned" to death, nor does he look like someone who has managed to safely eject from his plane and then somehow died later on in the hospital from "injuries".

The "hospital" he died in is 10 minutes from my house and everyone knows that place was not just a hospital back then.

So much for the one sided blame game that occasionally flies around here, regarding how the Turks don't take any prisoners

Any chances of getting/posting a picture of his corpse? I'd like to see it too.