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[roseandchan]

turkey will get into the e.u. i would like to ask have any of you ever been to turkey? how many turkish people do you know?

[Jerry]

turkey will get into the e.u. i would like to ask have any of you ever been to turkey? how many turkish people do you know?

I'm sure the Turkish people you met and the places you visited were lovely but what has that got to do with membership of the EU. It's the policies and actions of the Turkish Government that will decide whether or not that country joins the EU. So far they are not doing too well.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas is right and unfortunately, in my view, more and more Greek Cypriots are thinking along the same lines. The biggest problem with negotiating partition in this manner is how Turkey's application to join the EU would fit in. If we had an 82:18 split and Turkey joined the EU we would have an open border with that country. Would Turkey forsake its membership of the EU in order to gain legal partition of Cyprus, somehow I don't think so.

Do not worry about this issue Jerry, it will be sorted out easily. Cyprus, as an existing member of the EU, will put a condition that Citizens of EU member Turkey will not have the right to buy property or permanently settle in Cyprus, due to the population size of Turkey and its proximity to Cyprus. Malta did the same, and it was accepted as a primary law!

Are you sure? My understanding is that the EU will not allow permanent derogations.

Then Turkey will not enter the EU as a full member!

[Jerry]

Kifeas is right and unfortunately, in my view, more and more Greek Cypriots are thinking along the same lines. The biggest problem with negotiating partition in this manner is how Turkey's application to join the EU would fit in. If we had an 82:18 split and Turkey joined the EU we would have an open border with that country. Would Turkey forsake its membership of the EU in order to gain legal partition of Cyprus, somehow I don't think so.

Do not worry about this issue Jerry, it will be sorted out easily. Cyprus, as an existing member of the EU, will put a condition that Citizens of EU member Turkey will not have the right to buy property or permanently settle in Cyprus, due to the population size of Turkey and its proximity to Cyprus. Malta did the same, and it was accepted as a primary law!

Are you sure? My understanding is that the EU will not allow permanent derogations.

Then Turkey will not enter the EU as a full member!

The Annan Plan allowed for permanent derogations regarding GCs moving to the north but the EU were not happy with this. The UN pointed out that there could be a conflict between the legal and political position in the event of permanent derogations being adopted. It does seem to be a grey area and quite complicated.

[Get Real!]

turkey will get into the e.u.

How much for the crystal ball? Just name your price!

[Kifeas]

More "gems" from Talat, as were published in Politis neaspaper.
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... rticles&-p

Talat wants a partnership State.

A Limit to a solution by 2012 is placed by the Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat. If by then there is a failure to find a solution, ''we may as well reach to the conclusion that its achievement is not possible, and then the international community should reassess the realities'', remarked Mr. Talat in a lecture he gave at the Center for Eurasian Strategic Research, under the subject headline “searching for a solution in Cyprus." The Turkish Cypriot leader added that the pursuit of the T/C side is for a modulated entity, based on two founding nation-states, in which "the two nations" would be politically equal. My “government,'' he said, wants to find a solution in Cyprus. ''We will do what is necessary and will remain optimistic,'' said Talat.

''When the (direct) negotiations will begin in late June, it will be very difficult for both of the two sides to abandon the negotiating table. It will not be feasible for neither of the two sides to abandon the table, as this will be the last chance for a solution'', claimed the T/C leader.

Although the work of technical committees and working groups started, this is not an indication that all flow well and smoothly, he added, saying that the general approach of the T/C side is to seek for the creation of a modulated entity, based on two founding nation-states, in which the two peoples will be politically equal.'' The partnership State, he continued, will work with equal participation of G/Cs and T/Cs. "This state could be created by means of a virgin-birth approach," claimed Mr. Talat, adding that: ''We will continue to work with goodwill and determination. We hope we will succeed. If we succeed, the uncertainty about the future of the T/Cs will be alleviated, and the concerns and fears of the G/Cs and the Cyprus issue itself will cease to be an obstacle to Turkey, in its relations with the EU and the rest of the world.”

[roseandchan]

you need to remember that roc is not the only member of the e.u, and quite a new member. its political but i,m sure turkey will get in, they will reform as did bulgaria ect. its about oil, and turkeys geographical position with regards to the middle east.

[Get Real!]

you need to remember that roc is not the only member of the e.u, and quite a new member. its political but i,m sure turkey will get in, they will reform as did bulgaria ect. its about oil, and turkeys geographical position with regards to the middle east.

Right, so how do you suppose they'll get past the Cypriot veto while hanging onto a sizeable chunk of Cyprus?

[bilako22]

you need to remember that roc is not the only member of the e.u, and quite a new member. its political but i,m sure turkey will get in, they will reform as did bulgaria ect. its about oil, and turkeys geographical position with regards to the middle east.

Right, so how do you suppose they'll get past the Cypriot veto while hanging onto a sizeable chunk of Cyprus?[/quo

They would not have the guts to use it , plonker

[Get Real!]

Right, so how do you suppose they'll get past the Cypriot veto while hanging onto a sizeable chunk of Cyprus?

They would not have the guts to use it , plonker

Is that an "educated guess" or wishful thinking?