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[Eric dayi]

Actually, their plans are EVEN LOWER than that! They are hoping, and will ensure that the attempt fails so that they can then turn around and say…

“We tried but it didn’t work so now we want to be recognized!”

…but as per usual there won’t be any recognition for two reasons…

1. The chances of reversing the UN resolutions in favor of a handful of TC criminals running the “TRNC” are next to zero.

Why don't you try using your mouth for a change instead of talking out of what you should be sitting on GR?

2. Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to most countries in the world than Turkey.

The "success" of the "shipping industry" of the so-called "RoC" is dependant on Turkey opening it's ports and the EU don't give a damn under which country's flag the ships carrying the oil sail. If the EU did they would have forced Turkey to pull out of Cyprus and open it's ports for the so-called "RoC".

So anyone who thinks that the so-called "RoC" is far more important than the oil from Turkey is delusional and only fooling him/herself.

Would that so called ROC be the Republic whose passports and IDs are held by some 50 thousand T/Cs , just imagine if a T/C was to travel to any one of the entire world's nations , show his ROC passport and then told by some stupid immigration officer that this so called ROC passport isn't recognised !!! I bet that immigration officers name is Eric Plonker !!!"

Those TC's who got the so-called "RoC passport" only took it to bypass the
embargoes, in other words it is not because they love the so-called "RoC" but found a way to use it to get out of a strangle hold and hey, it worked.
But a senile old git like you is delusional enough to believe the TCs love the so-called "RoC" just because they got the so-caled "RoC passport".

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ps.Do you hold a so called ROC passport ??

What the heck would I want a so-called "RoC passport" when I've got a British passport you old senile fool?

[observer]

It would be interesting to know what you think all these unacceptable demands that Talat is going to make are. So far as I am aware, all he has asked for to date is a bizonal, bicommunal federation, which I think every GC leader has said he wanted too, except for Makarios.

When the UN 'filled in the blanks' after the negotiations, the UN, the EU and most of the world community considered the resulting Plan fair and acceptable. So far as I know, neither Christofias or Papadopoulos have ever said in detail what they found unacceptable.

I hear lots of references to 'a virgin birth', but when it comes to details, the virgin birth of the new Cyprus remains as mysterious as the virgin birth of Christ.

They will want to keep troops on the island. They will want most of the settlers to stay. They will want a disproportionate share of the island and power. They will not allow most GCs to return home. They will not compensate GCs for what they did in 1974, shall I go on?

Talat may do the talking but he takes his orders fron Ankara.

I don't care what the world community thought of the Annan plan, they would not like the plan applied to themselves in their own countries.

Virgin birth; my views were posted on this thread previous page, Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:14 am

No need to go on. A complete failure to acknowledge the year is 2008 and that there is 50+ years of hostility as background.

Read that through my eyes as "I want everything that I tried to grab by force in 1963, by economic means between 1963 and 1974, and by force again in 1974, and I want to be compensated for failing."

[observer]

Jerry:
"Virgin birth; my views were posted on this thread previous page, Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:14 am"

I have read it and re-read it, and the main detail seems to be "we should start with a blank sheet of paper and apply the universally accepted principles of democracy".

Not terribly helpful. It's difficult to get people to vote for blank pieces of paper.

[Kifeas]

It would be interesting to know what you think all these unacceptable demands that Talat is going to make are. So far as I am aware, all he has asked for to date is a bizonal, bicommunal federation, which I think every GC leader has said he wanted too, except for Makarios.

When the UN 'filled in the blanks' after the negotiations, the UN, the EU and most of the world community considered the resulting Plan fair and acceptable. So far as I know, neither Christofias or Papadopoulos have ever said in detail what they found unacceptable.

I hear lots of references to 'a virgin birth', but when it comes to details, the virgin birth of the new Cyprus remains as mysterious as the virgin birth of Christ.

They will want to keep troops on the island. They will want most of the settlers to stay. They will want a disproportionate share of the island and power. They will not allow most GCs to return home. They will not compensate GCs for what they did in 1974, shall I go on?

Talat may do the talking but he takes his orders fron Ankara.

I don't care what the world community thought of the Annan plan, they would not like the plan applied to themselves in their own countries.

Virgin birth; my views were posted on this thread previous page, Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:14 am

No need to go on. A complete failure to acknowledge the year is 2008 and that there is 50+ years of hostility as background.

Read that through my eyes as "I want everything that I tried to grab by force in 1963, by economic means between 1963 and 1974, and by force again in 1974, and I want to be compensated for failing."

Observer, you talk garbage as usual, but let me tell this to you! We want nothing from you! We are just ready to grand you your separate recognized partitioned state, as soon as you withdraw to your fair portion of the island, which by all means and measures is no more than 18% of the territory of Cyprus! You keep your corner with all the settlers and Turkey's guarantees, and we build a 10 meter high wall in-between, to live in the rest of our country as a free people! We give you 18% of the island, which is even more than you deserve if we take the historical aspect into consideration (remember that we have been in this island as a distinct people since the dawn of history, 4 thousand years ago, and you have only been here since 500 years ago;) and we want to have nothing to do with you, as we want you to have nothing to do with us! Enough!

[Tim Drayton]

...we want to have nothing to do with you, as we want you to have nothing to do with us! Enough!

In using the first person PLURAL you presume to speak for the GC people as a whole. Upon what do you base this presumption? My reading of the recent presidential election results is that the majority of GCs support peace and reconciliation, rather than a strategy which will grant the Turkish Republic a permanent foothold on the island.

[Nikitas]

Tim,

I think most people are resigned to the fact that no matter what kind of solution we will get the Turkish republic will have a foothold on the island. It has started again, the talk of "virgin birth" (strange coming from Moslems!), guarantees, permanent Turkish army presence etc.

If it is a matter of allaying TC fears of a repeat of the events of 1963, then a well armed TC force, with guaranteed arms superiority on the island, would be enough. But that is not the point really behind the demands for a permanent Turkish military presence, the point is for Turkey to be on the island. This and other demands show a sometimes callous disregard for the other side's sensitivities and raises questions about the future, and in these circumstances the solution proposed by Kifeas starts to sound like the lesser of many evils.

[Paphitis]

...we want to have nothing to do with you, as we want you to have nothing to do with us! Enough!

In using the first person PLURAL you presume to speak for the GC people as a whole. Upon what do you base this presumption? My reading of the recent presidential election results is that the majority of GCs support peace and reconciliation, rather than a strategy which will grant the Turkish Republic a permanent foothold on the island.

I am all for Kifeas proposal provided that a united Cyprus can not be achieved. Being a pessimist, I do not think that it can be achieved as it is the TCs who are unwilling to compromise. Sadly it is the TCs who do not want a viable solution as a United Cyprus.

Kifeas idea is another form of a solution that will work. The TCs get what they want which is a recognised state over 18% of Cyprus territory. We can then build our wall. We could name it "the Great Wall of Cyprus" complete with razor wire on top.

The TC dream of permanent partition will be realised, and the GCs can live in peace. This solution sounds much better than having any Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey or Turkish troops being permanently stationed amongst GCs which is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Get Real!]

Read that through my eyes as "I want everything that I tried to grab by force in 1963..."

Don’t you feel the slightest bit of shame that you’re propagating manufactured rubbish?

A piece from a UNHCR document follows…

“Turkish Cypriot government officials rejected these proposals, stating that political protections for Turkish Cypriots would be removed. They withdrew from their posts, and the bi-communal arrangement collapsed.“

NB: I won't post the UNHCR link again because its too long and causes the page to widen but you'll find it in another thread I recently started.

[Get Real!]

Nobody has the right to partition Cyprus just because they “can’t cope” with the current situation! If you don’t like it get out!

Cyprus has been around for THOUSANDS of years in ONE PIECE so for any person passing through time today, to think that they have special carving rights should think again…

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A MERE SPEC IN THE HISTORY OF CYPRUS SO GET OVER YOURSELF!

Cyprus was handed down CONTIGUOUS for millenniums and so it shall remain.

[Paphitis]

Nobody has the right to partition Cyprus just because they “can’t cope” with the current situation! If you don’t like it get out!

Cyprus has been around for THOUSANDS of years in ONE PIECE so for any person passing through time today, to think that they have special carving rights should think again…

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A MERE SPEC IN THE HISTORY OF CYPRUS SO GET OVER YOURSELF!

Cyprus was handed down CONTIGUOUS for millenniums and so it shall remain.

I think it is the TCs that can not cope with a United Cyprus with basic democratic principles such as one man one vote.

We all desire Cyprus to be once again Contiguous. Turkey however will not allow this unless it maintains an unnacceptable footprint on the island and a licence to intervene into our affairs at will.