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[smokejumper]

Hello everybody

I am in the process of writing a paper on prospects for reaching a solution in Cyprus and would really appreciate having the views of all Cypriots given its your island and your future

what do you believe will be the main stumbling bloks to reaching an agreement; what concerns you the most (security questions, power sharing, property returns, etc); what would the ideal cyprus look like; and any other issue you would like to mention that would be useful when thinking of the future

Thanks

[GeorgeV97qaue]

The main issue will be the GC's right to return to their homes. If they can get past that then a solution can happen. But Turkey will not permit Talat to agree to that. So unfortunatly no solution.

[purdey]

Good luck to you mate. You should have all the info you need in the Cyprus problem page. History, personal experiences, the works. It maybe also a good idea to paste and copy some of the more heated debates to reflect on how passions and hatred still run deep.

[Piratis]

smokejumper, what we Cypriots want today is what we always wanted:
Freedom to our island from foreign troops and foreign oppressors, so we can democratically rule our own country and have a normal country as every other country in EU.

Unfortunately foreign powers (UK/Turkey) want to maintain their control and their troops on our island. In the past these foreign powers could enslave Cyprus and and the Cypriot people without having to answer anything to anybody. Now in the era where keeping colonies and enslaving people is theoretically not allowed, they are using the Turkish minority on the island as an excuse to continue keeping Cyprus under their control.

There is only one solution: All foreign troops out of Cyprus, democracy, equality of all citizens without racist discriminations. The Turkish minority in Cyprus can have the maximum of minority rights given to any minority in any EU country. But they can not keep our land, or have disproportinal power share on our loss.

Here is some more info about how foreign powers found the way not to allow Cypriot people to decide democratically their own destiny in the era of decolonization:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14652

[Viewpoint]

smokejumper the island is divided into 2 parts 37% North where TCs reside and 63% South where GCs live. The division occurred due to the GC dream to gift Cyprus to Greece without the support of the TCs who fought back for their survival. The examples of Crete and Rhodes where the Turkish population were wiped out is good enough reason to fight for staying as Cyprus an independent country, we do not want to become Greece or Greek and will continue to plead our case against a discriminating and vegence seeking GC community. Ask Piratis he still holds us accountable for what happened 500 years ago, and that we deserved 1963 to 1974, god forbid what he will do for what happened only 34 years ago.

[Piratis]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

[unitedwestand]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

Your history of Cyprus is so corrupt it beggars belief.

[Viewpoint]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

I want protection from a community who wants to give 100% of Cyprus to Greece and are prepared to wipe out anyone in their way. You can thank the Turkish Army for 34 years of peaceful exsistence, where no one was killed for teir ethnic origins or their belief that Cyprus should not be given to Greece.

When was Cyprus ever Greek??

[Piratis]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

I want protection from a community who wants to give 100% of Cyprus to Greece and are prepared to wipe out anyone in their way. You can thank the Turkish Army for 34 years of peaceful exsistence, where no one was killed for teir ethnic origins or their belief that Cyprus should not be given to Greece.

When was Cyprus ever Greek??

Cyprus has been Greek for 1000s of years. It has a Greek culture going back 3500 years and its population is 82% Greek. Is there any territory which has 82% Turkish population for 1000s of years and it is not part of the Turkish state?

Nobody wanted to wipe out your minority. What we wanted was simply the freedom of Cyprus as it happened to several other Greek islands and territories before. And then you attacked us again...

But even when we compromised our rights, and we accepted for Cyprus not to be united with the rest of Greece, you still collaborated with the British in order to give to Cyprus a fake undemocratic "independence" instead of a true one as it happens in all other countries of the world, so Turkey and UK could keep their control over our island.

The Cypriots will continue to fight for democracy and human rights, and for our self-determination on our own island. All foreign troops should leave from our country.

[Piratis]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

Your history of Cyprus is so corrupt it beggars belief.

If anything I say is "currupt" then when don't you tell us what it is instead of just saying empty words and slogans. But I guess thats all you know.