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[Piratis]

Yes Eric. Greeks came to Cyprus as traders and settled here 3500 ago when the island was mostly uninhabited. They created their own new cities and their civilization spread naturally on the island over the centuries. They didn't impose anything on anybody, since at that time each city state was separate, there was not some foreign ruler of the whole island to impose anything to others.

On this island we speak Greek for 1000s of years and then you come here to tell us that Cyprus is not Greek. So if the population of a territory is Greek, then how can the territory not being Greek? To whom the territory belongs to then? To some foreign rulers?

When you talk about murders and genocides you are obviously confusing it with the actions of the Turks.

First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

[Piratis]

By the way Eric, you are the one who is saying the lies. What I say is not only the truth, but it is also documented from independent sources. In fact the source for what I posted above is your USA friends.

[Big Al]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

[miltiades]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

No they dont !! They want to be free just like any other people on this planet. Free from foreign occupation , free from the chains of occupation , free to be part of Europe , free to use the EURO as their currency and not some foreign virtually worthless currency.The T/C are an integral part of Cyprus . You along with other hate mongers are spreading malicious unfounded lies fed to you by the extremists who would like nothing more than annexation of the occupied part to a third world , developing nation .
Please dont respond with the same crap that Eric the Plonker constantly spews out such as ENOSIS , GRIVAS , MAKARIOS , EXTERMINATE , EXTERMINATE , GENOCIDE Nonsense.
Cyprus is a European nation member of the most succesful Union of nations ever . Your future is united not divided .

[Jerry]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

You forgot to add that had Turkey not intervened in 1974 the TCs would have all been butcherd by the GCs and the Greeks who invaded Cyprus in 1963 Jerry.

You also forgott to add that all the above is only because the GCs and the Greeks wanted ENOSIS and would have murdered all the Tcs to get their wish.

PS VP There is still a significant number of Turks on Rhodes

There are no Turks in Rhodes or anywhere in Greece Jerry, try not to lie next time.

I don't see why the majority should not be able to determine their own future, rather like they did a few years earlier in Alexandretta.

The GCs and Greeks can do what the heck they like in the South Jerry, they don't have to force us to accept what we don't see as any good for our people.

No Turks in Rhodes, oh really!
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... sid=100908

yes Jerry, really. Have a look at this and tell me wher it says Turkish.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/gr.html

Jerry, do some research if you don't know what you are talking about.

According to Greece there are no Turks in Greece, only "Muslim Greeks". Even Muslims who come from other countries are "Muslim Greeks". This has also been endorsed by the High Court of Greece and if you do a search you'll find out what I am talking about.

AND that is exactly what we TCs didn't want to end up as and fought against it.

If you or anyone else seem to believe that it is "democratic" to by law not allow people to id themselves as Turks then you all need to see a head shrink.

And you people have the cheek to laugh at others?

Cretin! They are quite clearly of Turkish descent, just as the TCs in Cyprus are. Stop splitting hairs.

[Viewpoint]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

No they dont !! They want to be free just like any other people on this planet. Free from foreign occupation , free from the chains of occupation , free to be part of Europe , free to use the EURO as their currency and not some foreign virtually worthless currency.The T/C are an integral part of Cyprus . You along with other hate mongers are spreading malicious unfounded lies fed to you by the extremists who would like nothing more than annexation of the occupied part to a third world , developing nation .
Please dont respond with the same crap that Eric the Plonker constantly spews out such as ENOSIS , GRIVAS , MAKARIOS , EXTERMINATE , EXTERMINATE , GENOCIDE Nonsense.
Cyprus is a European nation member of the most succesful Union of nations ever . Your future is united not divided .

You are wrong miltiades the majority of TCs only trust the Turkish army with their security and do not want them gone until a solution we cna commit to arrives, like the AP which the GCs oppose as it does not give them a free hand to do what they want.

[miltiades]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

""""so stop crying over your failed attempt to genocide us TCs for your ENOSIS dream. ""

What a Plonker , you should call yourself Mr Genocide-Enosis -Grivas Makarios !!!

[Mr. T]

Here are you dates Eric:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Do you disagree with that Eric? Whats your theory then? That while Cyprus was ruled by British, Ottomans, Persians, Franks etc, just like magic the people of Cyprus started to speak Greek out of the blue?

We are Greek, we are the 82% of the population and we have been here for many 1000s of years.

Compare that with Turkey: Turks are less than 80% of the people in Turkey and they have been there for just 600 years.

Cyprus is many times more Greek, than Turkey is Turkish.

Piratis, you deliberately misunderstand what ericdayi writes. Myceneans or Achaean traders coming to Cyprus plying their trade, setting up colonies and teaching/spreading Greek culture is not the same as belonging to Greece. Tell the truth for once.

No mate, it means that Cyprus culture is Greek, Cypriots speak Greek, religion of Cyprus is Greek (Olympus Gods, then Christian Orthodox) Cyprus is not owned by Greece, Cyprus IS Greece.

So don't confuse those foreigners that impose their rule on Cyprus and made Cyprus parts of their empires, with what Cyprus is.

It really tells a lot about how you were brought up as Turks to believe that a territory (an island in this case) "belongs" to the one who has the power to impose its rule on it, and not to the native people of that territory.

We are Greek and we are the 82% majority of this island and we have been living on this island for 3500 years (more than most other nations have lived on their countries).

So if you claim that Cyprus is not Greek, then definitely Turkey is not Turkish, since in Turkey the Turks are less than 80% and they have a much shorter history there than we have on Cyprus.

As a recent member of this forum I am at a loss as to why anyone responds to this lunancy. WHY DON'T THEY JUST IGNORE YOUR INANE RAMBLINGS?

Reading through posts one of your favourite words is ' fascist' yet if I was asked to name the most right wing nationalist that I have noticed on this forum I would award you the gold medal.

In fact you would get a clean sweep of all the medals.The silver medal would be awared for confusing freedom fighters with terrorists. Even GR went to great lengths to quote recently from 'non-biased' sources which states that those GCs murdering prior to independence were 'terrorists'. Muslim bombers also call themselves by self flattering names but are in reality terrorists too.

The bronze medal is achieved for a number of different reasons. One is for several references to Greek Cypriots being enslaved by the British when you have no comprehension of what the word 'enslaved' means. Please find a dictionary. Another is for constantly typing absolute rubbish and living hundreds of years ago in the past. The list could go on but one has to stop somewhere.

[Eric dayi]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

""""so stop crying over your failed attempt to genocide us TCs for your ENOSIS dream. ""

What a Plonker , you should call yourself Mr Genocide-Enosis -Grivas Makarios !!!

Makarios, Grivas and the rest of the murdering EOKA terrorists were your "heroes" whom you idolised and more than likely helped to murder your own TC and GC neighbours for your ENOSIS dream or are you telling us that your senility is so far that you have forgotten all that you senile old git.

It's people like myself who turned your dream of ENOSIS in to a nightmare and still stand in your way to realise your dream and you hate us because you know we will always be just around the corner to stop you and the likes of you ENOSIS seeking twats from getting your wish.

Go open another bottle of Ouzo to ease your pain and misery.

[Get Real!]

back to the original request for info, the turkish army is not only wanted but needed in cyprus to protect the TC's. Regardless of what any GC's says, TC's want the turkish army in northern cyprus.

""""so stop crying over your failed attempt to genocide us TCs for your ENOSIS dream. ""

What a Plonker , you should call yourself Mr Genocide-Enosis -Grivas Makarios !!!

Makarios, Grivas and the rest of the murdering EOKA terrorists were your "heroes" whom you idolised and more than likely helped to murder your own TC and GC neighbours for your ENOSIS dream or are you telling us that your senility is so far that you have forgotten all that you senile old git.

It's people like myself who turned your dream of ENOSIS in to a nightmare and still stand in your way to realise your dream and you hate us because you know we will always be just around the corner to stop you and the likes of you ENOSIS seeking twats from getting your wish.

Go open another bottle of Ouzo to ease your pain and misery.

Your posts are outdated and a fine example of what a 1980s Cyprus forum would've looked like. I don’t know why you even bother…