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[Bananiot]

Well, the present government of Cyprus and the President do not agree with Piratis. In fact, working groups and technical committees have been set up after a recent agreement between the leaders of the two communities, to prepare the ground for a solution, based on bizonal, bicomunal federation.

I am surprised by the fact that a self proclaimed democrat like Piratis is not in line with the democratically elected president of Cyprus. What in heaven is the minority opinion of Piratis trying to do to Cyprus? Those that held the view Piratis holds were soundly defeated in the February elections and Piratis is now trying to to the unthinkable: pass his minority views through the window.

I enjoyed that!

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Cyprus has been Greek for 1000s of years. It has a Greek culture going back 3500 years and its population is 82% Greek. Is there any territory which has 82% Turkish population for 1000s of years and it is not part of the Turkish state?

The island was never Greek or part of Greece, thats why you cannot provide dates, it has been bastardized enough times to make it some sort of mix that speak Greek and Turkish, people are now born into either the GC or TC community.
The sooner you realize that your belief which you are entitiled to gives you no more rights than me we are both indigenous to this island now.

Nobody wanted to wipe out your minority. What we wanted was simply the freedom of Cyprus as it happened to several other Greek islands and territories before. And then you attacked us again...

Uniting with Greece would have wiped us out just like the Turks in Rhodes and Crete, you agreed an independent state under agreed rules you tried to change those rules to achieve your dream of enosis, we stood in your way so we faced being wiped out but fought for survival and we will continue to do so in everyway necessary.
Cyprus was never Greek or part of Greece.

But even when we compromised our rights, and we accepted for Cyprus not to be united with the rest of Greece, you still collaborated with the British in order to give to Cyprus a fake undemocratic "independence" instead of a true one as it happens in all other countries of the world, so Turkey and UK could keep their control over our island.

Anything that does not suit your aims is not undemocratic, you complain becuase the 1960 agreements did not give a free hand to do what you wish and achieve your dream, you though we and the Brits were stupid and woudl allow you free path to riding the island of its TC communiy and turning Cyprus into another Greek island.

The Cypriots will continue to fight for democracy and human rights, and for our self-determination on our own island. All foreign troops should leave from our country.

Yes we will continue to fight for what we believe is right for our country and if that is to seek a solution which includes the removal of all troops then we wil do that you can no longer force your majority on us to achieve aims which we are against. When will you realize we will not capitulate to your demand to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs you have done that to 63% of the island you cannot have anymore.

[Jerry]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

PS VP There is still a significant number of Turks on Rhodes

[Viewpoint]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

All the above are necessary to stop the GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece and allowing TCs to live safely away from persecution and discrimination.

[Jerry]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

All the above are necessary to stop the GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece and allowing TCs to live safely away from persecution and discrimination.

A predictable response from a predictable scource. Why don't you tell the truth for once:-

"We had to be seen as victims of the Greek Cypriots in order to gain partition (always our aim) so we poked them in the eye and when they kicked back Turkey came and "saved" us"

[Eric dayi]

According to VP no Greek territory or island should have been liberated from foreign rule because Turkish minorities were formed on them during the Ottoman rule.

Nobody ever asked for the Turkish minority to be "wiped out". On the contrary it is the Turkish Cypriot minority who attacked Greek Cypriots in 1958, demanding that the Greek Cypriots should be wiped out from the north part of their country in order to artificially create some Turkish state there. This is a criminal plan which they put into action in 1974.

The only thing that Cypriots ever asked for was for foreigners to allow the Cypriot people to democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Unfortunately this was denied to us.

We seek no vengeance at all. Seeking democracy were the human rights of all are respected is called "vengeance"? We do not ask for the punishment of anybody for what happened in the past. We are willing to forgive all, as long as we are finally allowed to have democracy and human rights without foreign troops on our lands.

On the other hand the Turks want to continue the illegal occupation of our lands, and to continue violating our rights. So who is looking for vengeance viewpoint? You are!

I want protection from a community who wants to give 100% of Cyprus to Greece and are prepared to wipe out anyone in their way. You can thank the Turkish Army for 34 years of peaceful exsistence, where no one was killed for teir ethnic origins or their belief that Cyprus should not be given to Greece.

When was Cyprus ever Greek??

Cyprus has been Greek for 1000s of years. It has a Greek culture going back 3500 years and its population is 82% Greek.

Rubbish! Cyprus has never been Greek and NEVER has been a Gree island. If you have any dates when Cyprus was a part of Greece let us see these dates. But try not to re-write history. :wink::wink:

Nobody wanted to wipe out your minority.

You personally maybe didn't because you weren;t even born back in the 50s/60/ but the majority of your were prepared and even attempted to genoicde us TCs for their ENOSIS dream. One of them even still posts in this forum and has admitted he was an ENOSIS supporter who probably killed TCs for his dream.

What we wanted was simply the freedom of Cyprus as it happened to several other Greek islands and territories before. And then you attacked us again...

Freedom for Cyprus like other Greek islands?

Since when is ENOSIS with Greece "freedom for Cyprus" FFS?

But even when we compromised our rights, and we accepted for Cyprus not to be united with the rest of Greece, you still collaborated with the British in order to give to Cyprus a fake undemocratic "independence" instead of a true one as it happens in all other countries of the world, so Turkey and UK could keep their control over our island.

I think everyone here has realised that you are getting your knickers in a twist while trying to re-write history and lie.

Have another go at lying maybe you'll get it right next time. :roll::roll::rol::roll:

The Cypriots will continue to fight for democracy and human rights, and for our self-determination on our own island.

The right and "democratic" thing to do back in 1963 was to honour your signature you put on the 1960 agrement and not try ENOSIS by murdering your Turkish Cypriot neighbours for your ENOSIS dream.

First you tried to take away our homes, lands, lives and democratic human rights and now you cry crocodile tears for yours? You are a bloody joke, one that should be laughed at for half a minute and then forgotten.

All foreign troops should leave from our country.

You GCs brought in the first Greek FOREIGN troops to help you with genociding us TCs now show some good will and get rid of them. Send them back to where they belong if you are serious about peace with us TCs. As long as the FOREIGN Greek trops are in Cyprus the Turkish Army isn't going anywhere, get that in to your thick skull.

[Piratis]

Piratis

Cyprus has been Greek for 1000s of years. It has a Greek culture going back 3500 years and its population is 82% Greek. Is there any territory which has 82% Turkish population for 1000s of years and it is not part of the Turkish state?

The island was never Greek or part of Greece, thats why you cannot provide dates, it has been bastardized enough times to make it some sort of mix that speak Greek and Turkish, people are now born into either the GC or TC community.
The sooner you realize that your belief which you are entitiled to gives you no more rights than me we are both indigenous to this island now.

So Athens, Sparta, Crete, Thessalonika etc, were "never Greek or part of Greece" either if we go with your "logic" until they were liberated from their foreign rulers and united in a free Greek state. Thats what we wanted for Cyprus as well. Freedom from foreign rulers.

Nobody wanted to wipe out your minority. What we wanted was simply the freedom of Cyprus as it happened to several other Greek islands and territories before. And then you attacked us again...

Uniting with Greece would have wiped us out just like the Turks in Rhodes and Crete, you agreed an independent state under agreed rules you tried to change those rules to achieve your dream of enosis, we stood in your way so we faced being wiped out but fought for survival and we will continue to do so in everyway necessary.
Cyprus was never Greek or part of Greece.

It would not wipe you out. There are 10s of thousands of Turks that live in Greece today and they keep multiplying, unlike the Greeks in Turkey who are almost extinct.

what should have happened is to make a referendum so the Cypriots themselves can decide what they want for their own island, not some foreigners to impose on us their own will.

But even when we compromised our rights, and we accepted for Cyprus not to be united with the rest of Greece, you still collaborated with the British in order to give to Cyprus a fake undemocratic "independence" instead of a true one as it happens in all other countries of the world, so Turkey and UK could keep their control over our island.

Anything that does not suit your aims is not undemocratic, you complain becuase the 1960 agreements did not give a free hand to do what you wish and achieve your dream, you though we and the Brits were stupid and woudl allow you free path to riding the island of its TC communiy and turning Cyprus into another Greek island.

The main principle of democracy is one person one vote and majority rule. Cypriots were not allowed to democratically rule their own island, this is why there is a Cyprus Problem.

The Cypriots will continue to fight for democracy and human rights, and for our self-determination on our own island. All foreign troops should leave from our country.

Yes we will continue to fight for what we believe is right for our country and if that is to seek a solution which includes the removal of all troops then we wil do that you can no longer force your majority on us to achieve aims which we are against. When will you realize we will not capitulate to your demand to turn the whole of Cyprus into a GC state run by GCs you have done that to 63% of the island you cannot have anymore.

You can have the 100% of your human and minority rights. Beyond that your 18% minority can not determine the destiny of our island. You have to accept democracy. If you don't and if you continue your war against us in order to gain on our loss, then be sure we will keep fighting for justice either you like it or not.

[Eric dayi]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

You forgot to add that had Turkey not intervened in 1974 the TCs would have all been butcherd by the GCs and the Greeks who invaded Cyprus in 1963 Jerry.

You also forgott to add that all the above is only because the GCs and the Greeks wanted ENOSIS and would have murdered all the Tcs to get their wish.

PS VP There is still a significant number of Turks on Rhodes

There are no Turks in Rhodes or anywhere in Greece Jerry, try not to lie next time.

[Piratis]

Here are you dates Eric:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

Do you disagree with that Eric? Whats your theory then? That while Cyprus was ruled by British, Ottomans, Persians, Franks etc, just like magic the people of Cyprus started to speak Greek out of the blue?

We are Greek, we are the 82% of the population and we have been here for many 1000s of years.

Compare that with Turkey: Turks are less than 80% of the people in Turkey and they have been there for just 600 years.

Cyprus is many times more Greek, than Turkey is Turkish.

[Eric dayi]

Well here's a few indisputable facts for you smokejumper:-

Cyprus was the only British colony not to achieve majority rule on independence
Turkish Cypriots are 18% of the population, they occupy 37% of the island.
Turkey has/had the legal right to intervene in Cyprus, it had no right to partition the island.
Turkey has, against international law, populated the north Cyprus with mainland Turks.
According to the 1960 Constitution the Turkish Cypriot Vice President could veto important legislation.
Turkey systematically looted the deserted town of Famagusta and to this day denies its inhabitants return.
The Tukish Cypriots are heavily subsidised by Turkey, their "independent" state is not economically viable.
The ECHR has made Turkey pays hundreds of thousands £££ to Greek Cypriots as compensation.

There's loads more but try the above for starters.

All the above are necessary to stop the GCs from gifting Cyprus to Greece and allowing TCs to live safely away from persecution and discrimination.

A predictable response from a predictable scource. Why don't you tell the truth for once:-

"We had to be seen as victims of the Greek Cypriots in order to gain partition (always our aim) so we poked them in the eye and when they kicked back Turkey came and "saved" us"

Give it up Jerry, no one believes your lies any more.

If the GCs didn't want ENOSIS and they didn't want to eliminate us TCs in Cyprus then please tell us what the Greek army was doing in Cyprus in 1963? Were thyey there to make say bye bye to us as they sent us on a permanent holiday?

First the GCs start a genocide war on us TCs for their ENOSIS dream and now they make themselves look stupid by playing the "innocent". What a bloody joke.