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[Bananiot]

Can you give us some concrete historical facts in order to substantiate your claims? Were we the bearers of democratic principles and freedom? From 1963 to 1974? You've got to be joking!

Even AKEL was for enosis (and only enosis) in the 60's and only when Makarios said he would go for the feasible did AKEL move away from enosis.

[humanist]

me thinks somoene is fudgin the numbers

[denizaksulu]

Got it! Lets see yours.

Hmm... I never gave that much thought, I guess what's in our hearts may also indicate the swing...

Let me get this straight GR, you put up a Poll without giving it much thought?

Are you for real?

Regarding... what's doable Vs what's preferable

The VENDETTA list then gets passed on to Oracle.

It looks like GR is trying to make amends.

[denizaksulu]

I said 2

That means Umit that you can only live in the 18% of Cyprus that constituted the TC areas! Are you aware of this, or you think your area of Cyprus is what Turkey grabbed in 1974, after ethnically cleansing all the GCs from their thousands of years old territories? Do you think you can have your cake and eat it too?

Not necessarily Kifeas. He would have a choice in which half to live.

[boomerang]

You are not reading me boomerang. My answer to your question is 5, however, we waived our right to seek such a solution with our criminal behaviour in the past. I am sure there are many Turkish Cypriots who would be more than happy with 5, but, they are apprehensive, because they do not trust us. I am talking about good Turkish Cypriots, who put the good of Cyprus above the interests of Turkey, yet we managed the unthinkable, to alienate these people.

Under the circumstances there is no other option but option 2. It is the best we can do to salvage as much as possible. Two politically equal states under a federal umbrella. The two communities will have equal share of power in the federal government because this is the only safeguard that can work. For example, if the Turkish Cypriot federal state decides to go to war in Kosovo, this can only happen if the Greek Cypriot federal state agrees.

This solution needs to be agreed very soon indeed because we are running short of time. If we fail to do so (because we want to try our luck with other options like in the past) we can kiss good bye solution and watch the occupied parts of Cyprus become just another region of Turkey, with the blessings of the interational community.

I have no doubt Papadopoulos and his followers understood this very well and because they deplored BBF, went for the second best (according to them) solution that is, agreed partition, to which of course they never admitted publicly at least. However, Papadopoulos avoided talks because he wanted to allow things to move towards the direction of partition. He knew that if he engaged in talks he would find BBF in front of him and he could not allow this to happen. Hence the impasse of almost 5 years, that got all of us worried but made Papadopoulos very happy.

Jeez you talk a lot of crap Bananiot...always exusing the illegalities...I equate the plight of the aboriginals in my own country...People that were used for taget shooting not so long ago...People that had their children stolen not so long ago...People that weren't allowed to vote, not alone having a say in their OWN FUCKING COUNTRY not so long ago...People that were discriminated at every level not so long ago...People that ARE to some extend are STILL DISCRIMINATED TODAY...

And here you come talking about the Cyprus problem...Get a life Bananiot...

What about the Sth Afrikans...Should the whites get a slice of their own country as well Bananiot?

You wanna join the EU then start running like any other EU country not an apartheid system...Get over it...Bananniot you need to change your dinosaur way of thinking...Especially when "turkey=fascist state" wants to join the EU, moves which you praize and welcome...With your current mindset the kurds should get their own federal system...Or are you under the impession, one set rules us and one set rules for others...

Come out and say it Bananiot, the tcs are the chosen race...the pre madonnas of this world...

[boomerang]

Can you give us some concrete historical facts in order to substantiate your claims? Were we the bearers of democratic principles and freedom? From 1963 to 1974? You've got to be joking!

Even AKEL was for enosis (and only enosis) in the 60's and only when Makarios said he would go for the feasible did AKEL move away from enosis.

Bananniot you need to read others history so you can get a grasp, as to how other nations moved on after suffering injustices, far greater than ours...then you might have a better understanding...

[boomerang]

Looks like there's more partitionists than not

Told you ages ago this is the trend since the referendum people are slowly realizing that all this bullshit about find a solution that will bridge the chasm that exsists between our communities is just for show. The reality is that neither side has the vision, need or ability to compromise therefore the status quo will be around for a long long time to come.

Are you referring tothe last poll in trash can, were 40% said no 2 state solution...and the 60% was made up from hardliners and settlers?

[denizaksulu]

hey oracles my lovely lady? how are you? hey it was sooo funny the other day at work. I told this cloeague of mine "you got a new job", sure enough within 20 minutes she was offered a job. Hows that that for Oracle powers

Humanist, did you mean to write 'cloaca'?


What does your Oracle say for the future of Cyprus Humanist.?

[boomerang]

..... My answer to your question is 5, however, we waived our right to seek such a solution with our criminal behaviour in the past. I am sure there are many Turkish Cypriots who would be more than happy with 5, but, they are apprehensive, because they do not trust us .....

I disagree with this inference.

I think it is Democracy and Freedom that the TCs fear and not just the GCs, as there are more potent forces out there for such a tiny group of people, that view themselves so special, to compete with.

It is the reason they dissociated as soon as the Constitution was facing being made more Democratic.

So they crave the "protection" the Might of Turkey gives them, and take comfort in the lack of independence and freedom such nurturing provides.

They cannot cope autonomously; so they will become extinct. Swallowed up by the turbulence of Turkey and its 70 M.

To be blunt If I may...the majority of tcs enjoy the free money they get from "momma turka=fascist state" hence they always say when something else better comes along they will jump at it...

Not saying all the tcs get the preferential treatment but one helluva a lot do along with the settlers...

[denizaksulu]

Well, I said many times that no. 5 is my preferred solution. Boomerang seems to suggest that perhaps by praying we can get it. I can wait for GR to gather his thoughts, no problem.

It may be a long process Bananiot (waiting for GR to gather his...whatever). I got that reply twice so far from GR. The first time about 4/5 months ago and still waiting. The other was the other day, so I am not holding my breath here.