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[Eric dayi]

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

So in your opinion, do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to "pay back" ?

Are you stupid or something? Greeks want Istanbul back, and some really believe it will happen within 50 years. I read on another forum a Greek man saying he will personally erect a cross on top of AyaSofya.

As for GCs. Don't you guys blame the TCs and Turks for 74? Don't you all blame everybody else but yourselves for the events of the last 40 odd years in Cyprus?

So, now you tell me if you believe you have reason to pay us back!!

You haven't answered my question because I'm not asking you to reiterate your already clear suspicions but your opinion...

Do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to want to "pay back"?

Does failed ENOSIS count as a good reason GR?

or how about:

One last try to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island?

[Eric dayi]

Is there any news on the topic of "power sharing" from Mr X ? If the power sharing is dealt with, I can say that we will end this dispute for good.

Poor little Umit... you're a good bloke I'm sure, but no different to biased VP when it comes to the Cyprus problem...

I am too scared of you GR! I have to be very cautious . GR as long as someone doesn't take it all personally, I don't have a problem with anyones views, it doen't make me hate an individual or GC's in general. All our fears GR lie in the mistakes of the past. Although I have never been through the shit my parents went through, I still feel their pain from the past . This is what pushes me to be cautious about intensions.

Forgive me for interjecting here GR & Um but there is something I do not undersatnd when Umit says about the sxxt. "past" and "pain". My grandparents, my wife's grandparents, several aunts and several uncles and loads of cousins and friends and villagers from our three villages went through the trauma and pretty bad experiences of the 74 invasion. Many forced at gunpoint to take their babes in arms and whatever belongings they could carry and walk for days to safety in the free areas and the eastern SBA. They spent one to two years in tents in the refugee camps until they were housed in pre-fab'd public housing and some of them are still there to this day.

I would ask Umit and others, why is it that my relatives and friends are prepared, if not to forget and forgive, at least to move on with some optimism for the future in a united, democratic, new Cy? Why is it that the suffering of my relatives and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army counts for nothing in the eyes of some members of this forum?

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...bill c. ...second class, sub-human in the eyes of some

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

With Turkey out of the scene i.e no power as guarantor I fear within a couple of days you will attack us as you did in 63 and possibly finish off what you failed so miserably.

That is the reason for your optimism, you have hidden agendas and ulterior motives.

There's no "pay-back", no "attack within days", no "hidden agendas", "no hidden and ulterior motives" mate. There's just a democratic future, within the EU, in which both communities can move on and prosper together.

Like there was no "hidden agendas" when Makarios signed the agreement with us to "move and prosper together" and you GCs didn;t attack us TCs to have your ENOSIS billy boy?

Is that really something to fear ?

nothing to fear, only we know you can't and have no intentions of keeping your word.

Or is it you that has "ulterior motives" ?

We never wanted ENOSIS bill, you Greeks and GCs did.

We do not demand to be the sole rulers of the whole island, you Greeks and GCs do.

Cards are on the table, either together as partners or separate and not one rules overthe other as you Greeks and GCs want it.

I see that you don't comment on the suffering of my relatives, friends and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army that I refer to. Why is this mate ? Why don't you comment on this ?

Have you ever commented on the suffering of our families, relatives or friends at the hands of the Greeks and the GCs bill?

If you have then I apologise but if you haven't, "why is this mate"?

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... bill c. ....genocided from the Occupied north without comment from utdwestand

Eric D. together with the rest of the TC population in Cyprus who suffered a genocide attempt at the hands of the Greeks and GC without a comment from bill c.

[halil]

Sine qua non of Cyprus talks: Security and alliance treaties
It's pretty certain that the peace talks in Cyprus will be as like they were in 2004, which resulted in the Greek Cypriots' rejection of the reunification of the island under the roof of “United States of Cyprus.”

What we witness is that the Greek Cypriot people are not ready for reunification. Furthermore the new administration is not yet very much organized for the talks either, diplomatic sources, familiar with the ongoing process told the Turkish Daily News.

The process got underway on March 21 between the presidents of the two communities, Mehmet Ali Talat and Demitris Christophias under the auspices of the United Nations secretary general. Talat who was in Ankara for official meetings said the talks would start late June this year and end by the end of this year, in a conference last week.

Diplomatic sources in Ankara do cautiously express some hope for the talks arguing that the new president of the Greek Cyprus signaled that he would be much more flexible than the former leader during the negotiations. Many unsaid matters were said by Christophias. But that is not enough for us to believe that the new government is fully committed for the solution, sources said.

While Talat arrived here for talks, the country's main security board discussed the new peace process on the island and announced its “sine qua non” parameters: Political equality based on the existence of two equal founding co-states, the continuity of the guarantor and alliance treaties that will enable keeping Turkish troops on the island.

Turkey's National Security Council (MGK) has also emphasized the need to keep the bi-communal nature and recognize the “realities” of the island.

Greek Cypriots voiced their intension to negotiate the guarantor and alliance treaties in a way to lead to the demilitarization of the island. Furthermore they have a different view on equality. As a European Union member they highlight the European definition of equality, that is the equality of individuals, sources told the TDN.



No backtracking on guarantor treaty

But Turkish officials are committed to stand firm on not making any compromise on keeping the treaties of guarantor and alliance valid and unchanged, to provide Turkish Cypriots political equality, to improve the property rights and to make permanent directives from the EU as a primary law. One of the most sensitive directives for Turkish Cypriots is the one that restricts property purchase by wealthy European countries, especially Greek Cypriots.

We will for sure raise this issue with Brussels when the time comes. We'll make clear to them that there will be no deal without this, sources said.



Fate of the Annan Plan?

One uncertain point is how the Annan Plan would be used during the talks as many from both sides expressed opposition to the blueprint. Not the plan itself but its philosophy would be useful. Obviously there are some points in the plan that we have to improve to our advantage, sources said. One of these points is property rights and citizenship.

Thousands of Turks who settled on the island after the 1974 intervention are subject to lose their citizenship. “Greek Cypriots also fabricated many citizenships from Greece. Their status will also be in our agenda, sources stated.

Many Greek Cypriots who campaigned in favor of the Annan Plan in 2004 have now changed their minds, according to sources. As there will be no time pressure and no parties intend to give the mission of arbitration to the U.N. secretary general, the negotiations will be more thorough than the one in 2004, they added.

Cypriots are under EU security umbrella'
Any solution to the Cyprus problem must take the island's EU membership into consideration, Greek Deputy Foreign Minister Yannis Valinakis said in an interview with the Cyprus daily Fileleftheros Saturday. “Cypriots today feel the European security umbrella protecting them,” he said, noting that talks with Turkey on the issue were being held.

from Turkish daily news.

[Bananiot]

Papahitis, lets get things straight. I did not say that you want ALL settlers to stay after a solution is agreed. It was you that wrote that I said that ALL settlers must stay. This is what you wrote:

Bananiot, I am dumbfounded that you are in support of all Turkish settlers remaining in Cyprus and be granted Cypriot citizenship.

I challenge you to show me where I said this and if you cannot do it have the decency to apologise. Then I will tell you my views again, on the solution I think stands a realistic chance of beeing reached.