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[bill cobbett]

Is there any news on the topic of "power sharing" from Mr X ? If the power sharing is dealt with, I can say that we will end this dispute for good.

Poor little Umit... you're a good bloke I'm sure, but no different to biased VP when it comes to the Cyprus problem...

I am too scared of you GR! I have to be very cautious . GR as long as someone doesn't take it all personally, I don't have a problem with anyones views, it doen't make me hate an individual or GC's in general. All our fears GR lie in the mistakes of the past. Although I have never been through the shit my parents went through, I still feel their pain from the past . This is what pushes me to be cautious about intensions.

Forgive me for interjecting here GR & Um but there is something I do not undersatnd when Umit says about the sxxt. "past" and "pain". My grandparents, my wife's grandparents, several aunts and several uncles and loads of cousins and friends and villagers from our three villages went through the trauma and pretty bad experiences of the 74 invasion. Many forced at gunpoint to take their babes in arms and whatever belongings they could carry and walk for days to safety in the free areas and the eastern SBA. They spent one to two years in tents in the refugee camps until they were housed in pre-fab'd public housing and some of them are still there to this day.

I would ask Umit and others, why is it that my relatives and friends are prepared, if not to forget and forgive, at least to move on with some optimism for the future in a united, democratic, new Cy? Why is it that the suffering of my relatives and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army counts for nothing in the eyes of some members of this forum?

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...bill c. ...second class, sub-human in the eyes of some

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

With Turkey out of the scene i.e no power as guarantor I fear within a couple of days you will attack us as you did in 63 and possibly finish off what you failed so miserably.

That is the reason for your optimism, you have hidden agendas and ulterior motives.

There's no "pay-back", no "attack within days", no "hidden agendas", "no hidden and ulterior motives" mate. There's just a democratic future, within the EU, in which both communities can move on and prosper together.

Is that really something to fear ? Or is it you that has "ulterior motives" ?

I see that you don't comment on the suffering of my relatives, friends and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army that I refer to. Why is this mate ? Why don't you comment on this ?

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... bill c. ....genocided from the Occupied north without comment from utdwestand

[Nikitas]

"Are you stupid or something? Greeks want Istanbul back, and some really believe it will happen within 50 years. I read on another forum a Greek man saying he will personally erect a cross on top of AyaSofya. "

Is this reliance on the bablings of an unknown person in some forum or responding to some kind of inner doubt about who you are and where you belong?

Are you seriously suggesting that Greece with a population of 11 million will try to conquer Istanbul with a population of 14 million? And do what with the people there?

Perhaps you are talking about payback etc because you judge others by what you have in your mind, how you would behave if you were in their position. No one in official office or even in this forum has mentioned any kind of payback or getting even etc. It is your partitionist fantasy at work.

[Get Real!]

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

So in your opinion, do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to "pay back" ?

Are you stupid or something? Greeks want Istanbul back, and some really believe it will happen within 50 years. I read on another forum a Greek man saying he will personally erect a cross on top of AyaSofya.

As for GCs. Don't you guys blame the TCs and Turks for 74? Don't you all blame everybody else but yourselves for the events of the last 40 odd years in Cyprus?

So, now you tell me if you believe you have reason to pay us back!!

You haven't answered my question because I'm not asking you to reiterate your already clear suspicions but your opinion...

Do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to want to "pay back"?

[bilako22]

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

So in your opinion, do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to "pay back" ?

Are you stupid or something? Greeks want Istanbul back, and some really believe it will happen within 50 years. I read on another forum a Greek man saying he will personally erect a cross on top of AyaSofya.

As for GCs. Don't you guys blame the TCs and Turks for 74? Don't you all blame everybody else but yourselves for the events of the last 40 odd years in Cyprus?

So, now you tell me if you believe you have reason to pay us back!!

You haven't answered my question because I'm not asking you to reiterate your already clear suspicions but your opinion...

Do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to want to "pay back"?

No they do not plonker . It is academic , anyway. The turkish army will stay to keep the rabid , racist Greek thugs at bay . Long live the Turkish army

[Bananiot]

Let me answer your question Bill.

For a start your friends and relatives are not the only ones that suffered in 1974. I have lost both my parents as a direct result of the uprooting. My father suffered a massive stroke soon after and within six months I lost my mother too.

However, the Greek Cypriots and anyone else, that watched in apathy, while we went on a murder spree of innocent Turkish Cypriots in the 60's, are not qualified to pass judgement on the events of 1974, which we brought onto us by our criminal behaviour (my God, we even took patients out of Nicosia General Hospital and executed them in January 1964, just because they were Turkish Cypriots).

Show me, Bill, just one example of Greek Cypriots raising their voice at the injustice and criminal acts against innocent Turkish Cypriots in the 60's. You will not find any. Not because there were no sane and humane Greek Cypriots but because we were forced to shut up at the time, by the likes of Yiorgadjis, Papadopoulos, Sampson and other criminal butchers. Those that did not, paid a hefty price for their courage, executed by Greek or Turkish fascist elements that basically were working for the same objective.

[Paphitis]

Kifeas you are offending the democratically elected President of Cyprus who agreed that about 40 000 settlers will eventually stay. How dare you not support the democratically elected President. I think you must be an agent of the Turks.

Bananiot, I am dumbfounded that you are in support of all Turkish settlers remaining in Cyprus and be granted Cypriot citizenship. The Turkish settlers have been imported to Cyprus to change the demographics of the island. They are mere illegal immigrants and we can not accept them and allow them to stay in the event of a solution as this would be seen as an unnacceptable reward to this crime.

Allowing only those Turkish Settlers that have married Cypriots or established families in Cyprus to stay is a concession that we could make in order to reach a compromise. As for the rest of the settlers, they should definately leave.

Earlier in this thread, I posted a rather simplistic outline of a possible solution to the Cyprus Problem. Some one made comment on the proposal of the Cyprus Federation having a Defence Force of 5000 men and woman. A Defence Force of this size is a threat to nobody, and is especially not a threat to Turkey. I beleive that a Defence force is a cornerstone of any nation and is useful in times of civil emergencies and for border control. Needless to say, a small Defence Force for Cyprus will be just that, a small force that is 100% defensive in posture. Even Switzerland, a non alligned nation, has a defence force, so why should Cyprus be any different?

I also posted this simplistic outline of a possible solution, which I beleive is a reasonable attempt at compromise in order to negotiate the impasse and to guage the reactions of the TCs. So far, my suspicions have been confirmed which verify the fact that the TCs are not willing to compromise. They expect the GCs to do 90% of all the compromising which is why I have formed the opinion that these peace talks are sadly destined for failure. And this is exactly what the TC leadership and Turkey want, so that they can once again say to the world that they have tried negotiating for a solution and now it is time for the "trnc" to be recognised, a fruitless agenda due to numerous UN resolutions proclaiming the declaration of the "trnc" as invalid.

If the TCs really are interested in a solution to Cyprus and for peace, they really need to take a reall good look at themselves and be more willing to compromise in order to reach a more amicable and long term viable solution. Failure to do so will simply result in many more years of the current status quo.

[Bananiot]

Paphitis, please read carefully what I write. I did not say that ALL settlers should stay in Cyprus. I said that some will inevitably stay and so did President Christofias who seems to think that a ceiling of about 55 000 may be the actual number of settlers remaining in Cyprus after solution.

Furthermore, you might like to know that the progressive Turkish Cypriots do not want ALL the settlers to stay either. Together we shall struggle to this end while the nationalists of both sides will do their utmost to bury the solution/peace process because their agenda is one of clean, fascist solution.

[Bananiot]

There are about 10-15 Turkish Cypriots participating in this forum. Paphitis, you tried to perform an unscientific experience whereby you wanted to gauge the thoughts of these Turkish Cypriots. I am sure you do understand that this sample is so meagre that you cannot extract any reasonable conclusions. So, your inferences are based on false data and you can adopt them if you like but they are flowed with maximal error.

[Paphitis]

There are about 10-15 Turkish Cypriots participating in this forum. Paphitis, you tried to perform an unscientific experience whereby you wanted to gauge the thoughts of these Turkish Cypriots. I am sure you do understand that this sample is so meagre that you cannot extract any reasonable conclusions. So, your inferences are based on false data and you can adopt them if you like but they are flowed with maximal error.

You misunderstand my intentions. I was merely trying to gauge the thoughts and opinions of members on this forum. It does not by any means represent the wider opinions of the whole TC population with any great deal of accuracy.

I am also interested to gauge your thoughts on the matter.

Can you please outline what you beleive to be an achievable and viable solution to the Cyprus Problem. Please be as atleast as detailed as my simplistic outline, if not more detailed if you wish. I think it should make for some interesting reading.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, please read carefully what I write. I did not say that ALL settlers should stay in Cyprus. I said that some will inevitably stay and so did President Christofias who seems to think that a ceiling of about 55 000 may be the actual number of settlers remaining in Cyprus after solution.

Furthermore, you might like to know that the progressive Turkish Cypriots do not want ALL the settlers to stay either. Together we shall struggle to this end while the nationalists of both sides will do their utmost to bury the solution/peace process because their agenda is one of clean, fascist solution.

And I did not state that all Turkish settlers should leave either, as I do not think that this is possible.

Likewise you can read carefully what I write.