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[bill cobbett]

Is there any news on the topic of "power sharing" from Mr X ? If the power sharing is dealt with, I can say that we will end this dispute for good.

Poor little Umit... you're a good bloke I'm sure, but no different to biased VP when it comes to the Cyprus problem...

I am too scared of you GR! I have to be very cautious . GR as long as someone doesn't take it all personally, I don't have a problem with anyones views, it doen't make me hate an individual or GC's in general. All our fears GR lie in the mistakes of the past. Although I have never been through the shit my parents went through, I still feel their pain from the past . This is what pushes me to be cautious about intensions.

Forgive me for interjecting here GR & Um but there is something I do not undersatnd when Umit says about the sxxt. "past" and "pain". My grandparents, my wife's grandparents, several aunts and several uncles and loads of cousins and friends and villagers from our three villages went through the trauma and pretty bad experiences of the 74 invasion. Many forced at gunpoint to take their babes in arms and whatever belongings they could carry and walk for days to safety in the free areas and the eastern SBA. They spent one to two years in tents in the refugee camps until they were housed in pre-fab'd public housing and some of them are still there to this day.

I would ask Umit and others, why is it that my relatives and friends are prepared, if not to forget and forgive, at least to move on with some optimism for the future in a united, democratic, new Cy? Why is it that the suffering of my relatives and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army counts for nothing in the eyes of some members of this forum?

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...bill c. ...second class, sub-human in the eyes of some

[denizaksulu]

This is what precisely Christofias said: "During the Annan Plan period the Turkish Cypriot side gave a list that included 42 000 but this number would eventually rise to 116 000 if their families are included. We cannot accept this. I am ready to accept a number that would limit the settlers that stay to 50 000 persons in total".

Perhaps Christofias is not as stupid as we all thought! This Turkish settlers aspect alone is enough to send the BBF where it belongs to pave the way for bigger and better things...

Do you hear GR? You might even find yourself a new Turkish mistress

They would never accept a gavour like me...

You could rectify that. Get a sunnetci, then you can have four legals and numerous mistresses.

Where has my good old DEMOCRATIC pal Deniz, disappeared to lately? Playing word games again?

Nope. The word game is dying a slow death. Just like the Forum Peace N egotiations.

[Get Real!]

Is there any news on the topic of "power sharing" from Mr X ? If the power sharing is dealt with, I can say that we will end this dispute for good.

Poor little Umit... you're a good bloke I'm sure, but no different to biased VP when it comes to the Cyprus problem...

I am too scared of you GR! I have to be very cautious . GR as long as someone doesn't take it all personally, I don't have a problem with anyones views, it doen't make me hate an individual or GC's in general. All our fears GR lie in the mistakes of the past. Although I have never been through the shit my parents went through, I still feel their pain from the past . This is what pushes me to be cautious about intensions.

Forgive me for interjecting here GR & Um but there is something I do not undersatnd when Umit says about the sxxt. "past" and "pain". My grandparents, my wife's grandparents, several aunts and several uncles and loads of cousins and friends and villagers from our three villages went through the trauma and pretty bad experiences of the 74 invasion. Many forced at gunpoint to take their babes in arms and whatever belongings they could carry and walk for days to safety in the free areas and the eastern SBA. They spent one to two years in tents in the refugee camps until they were housed in pre-fab'd public housing and some of them are still there to this day.

I would ask Umit and others, why is it that my relatives and friends are prepared, if not to forget and forgive, at least to move on with some optimism for the future in a united, democratic, new Cy? Why is it that the suffering of my relatives and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army counts for nothing in the eyes of some members of this forum?

Thanks for your post Bill, that's exactly why I didn't bother responding to Umit's silly post. We now seemingly have 2nd and 3rd generation TCs telling us victims of a full-scale WAR that they don't trust us because of their sufferings... go figure!

[Get Real!]

Where has my good old DEMOCRATIC pal Deniz, disappeared to lately? Playing word games again?

Nope. The word game is dying a slow death. Just like the Forum Peace N egotiations.

I'm hoping that you'll come out of your recently imposed exile and contribute to this BBF vs Democracy issue... I do appreciate your view Deniz, even when we disagree.

[denizaksulu]

Where has my good old DEMOCRATIC pal Deniz, disappeared to lately? Playing word games again?

Nope. The word game is dying a slow death. Just like the Forum Peace N egotiations.

I'm hoping that you'll come out of your recently imposed exile and contribute to this BBF vs Democracy issue... I do appreciate your view Deniz, even when we disagree.

Same arguments new faces GR. I think we have reached an 'impasse'.

I had wished you mentioned the 'Democracy' word without getting the American version involved.

[unitedwestand]

Is there any news on the topic of "power sharing" from Mr X ? If the power sharing is dealt with, I can say that we will end this dispute for good.

Poor little Umit... you're a good bloke I'm sure, but no different to biased VP when it comes to the Cyprus problem...

I am too scared of you GR! I have to be very cautious . GR as long as someone doesn't take it all personally, I don't have a problem with anyones views, it doen't make me hate an individual or GC's in general. All our fears GR lie in the mistakes of the past. Although I have never been through the shit my parents went through, I still feel their pain from the past . This is what pushes me to be cautious about intensions.

Forgive me for interjecting here GR & Um but there is something I do not undersatnd when Umit says about the sxxt. "past" and "pain". My grandparents, my wife's grandparents, several aunts and several uncles and loads of cousins and friends and villagers from our three villages went through the trauma and pretty bad experiences of the 74 invasion. Many forced at gunpoint to take their babes in arms and whatever belongings they could carry and walk for days to safety in the free areas and the eastern SBA. They spent one to two years in tents in the refugee camps until they were housed in pre-fab'd public housing and some of them are still there to this day.

I would ask Umit and others, why is it that my relatives and friends are prepared, if not to forget and forgive, at least to move on with some optimism for the future in a united, democratic, new Cy? Why is it that the suffering of my relatives and villagers at the hands of the Turkish army counts for nothing in the eyes of some members of this forum?

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...bill c. ...second class, sub-human in the eyes of some

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

With Turkey out of the scene i.e no power as guarantor I fear within a couple of days you will attack us as you did in 63 and possibly finish off what you failed so miserably.

That is the reason for your optimism, you have hidden agendas and ulterior motives.

[Get Real!]

Where has my good old DEMOCRATIC pal Deniz, disappeared to lately? Playing word games again?

Nope. The word game is dying a slow death. Just like the Forum Peace N egotiations.

I'm hoping that you'll come out of your recently imposed exile and contribute to this BBF vs Democracy issue... I do appreciate your view Deniz, even when we disagree.

Same arguments new faces GR. I think we have reached an 'impasse'.

I had wished you mentioned the 'Democracy' word without getting the American version involved.

Americans are great at DEFINING things but useless at implementing them… I thought I mentioned that… please feel free to point to us another definition if it makes you happier.

[Get Real!]

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

So in your opinion, do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to "pay back" ?

[denizaksulu]

Where has my good old DEMOCRATIC pal Deniz, disappeared to lately? Playing word games again?

Nope. The word game is dying a slow death. Just like the Forum Peace N egotiations.

I'm hoping that you'll come out of your recently imposed exile and contribute to this BBF vs Democracy issue... I do appreciate your view Deniz, even when we disagree.

Same arguments new faces GR. I think we have reached an 'impasse'.

I had wished you mentioned the 'Democracy' word without getting the American version involved.

Americans are great at DEFINING things but useless at implementing them… I thought I mentioned that… please feel free to point to us another definition if it makes you happier.

We all know what democracy means, just leave the Americans out of it.

[unitedwestand]

I'll tell you why you want to move on, and with optimism. Because the minute the Turkish army is out of the scene its pay back time. All this democratic, reunited, EU guarantee shit you talk about is nothing but bull.

So in your opinion, do Greek Cypriots have good reasons to "pay back" ?

Are you stupid or something? Greeks want Istanbul back, and some really believe it will happen within 50 years. I read on another forum a Greek man saying he will personally erect a cross on top of AyaSofya.

As for GCs. Don't you guys blame the TCs and Turks for 74? Don't you all blame everybody else but yourselves for the events of the last 40 odd years in Cyprus?

So, now you tell me if you believe you have reason to pay us back!!