Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas wrote:Viewpoint wrote:Bananiot wrote:What is wrong with waiting for the balance of power to change oracle? I thought you were all for it, in the same boat as Piratis.
Viewpoint, our leaders are talking BBF and political equality and yes, the mandate of the Greek Cypriots to Christofias was to make a last ditch effort for BBF because we all realised where the Papadopoulos policy was getting us.
Bananiot I think BBF with political equality on issues sensative to both sides woudl be a great start to building trust and cooperation. Bith sides have big trust issues thats why we ask for so many safeguards, but if both sides stick to the agreement this time and display goodwill for the whole of Cyprus I think it might work. But if GCs insist on the the continuation of the "RoC" with us as a minority with no community rights we will side with Turkey and continue on as is.
First of all VP, the RoC, as it is established, does not regard the TCs to have no community rights! The same constitution that existed in 1960, continues to exist today, without being changed and regardless of the fact that it is not fully applicable at present or since 1964, due to the well known reasons and circumstances!
Second, we do not speak about a continuation of the 1960 RoC as a bi-communal unitary state, but only about the evolution of this into a bi-communal federal state! The bi-communal ingredient already exists in principle, in the 1960 constitution! The political equality of the two communities already exists in principle, in the 1960 RoC constitution; although in an unworkable and unbalanced form, which needs revisiting! The added ingredient will be the alteration of the 1960 unitary nature (one centrally administrated territory,) into a federative nature with two component states with regional governments and one central government on top.
Thirdly, if your side intents to continue with "virgin births" and the rest of the shit talk you are currently doing, chances are the status quo and your isolation will continue indefinitely, since only over our dead bodies it will ever be possible for you to get recognition (we might as well turn the whole EU upside down, and even go as far as cause its paralysis if need be;) plus mama Turka will eventually "get the boot" once and for good, from her EU accession process, an outcome that may as well casue a complete chaos internaly and hopefully your "motherland's" eventual fragmentation!
I hope my English was quite understandable this time!
I never had a problem with your English Kifeas, empty threats do not mean anything so using gets us nowhere.
The UN also backed a virgin birth scenario so dont be suprised if it rears it head once again, for us the "RoC" is dead and buried and going back would not be possible as psycologically the "RoC" was never ours and is now a GC state run by GCs. Dont pull the EU hurdle that is the last of our problems.
VP, first, I am threatening no one! I am simply explaining, educating and warning! The only one that stupidly believes he is “threatening” and “blackmailing” us, is your TC leader Mehmet-Ali Talat, who says every five minutes that “this will be the last chance for a solution,” implying in this way that if we do not “seat” for him and Turkey and give them what they want during this round of negotiations, they will stop aiming for a solution and will promote recognition. I am simply explaining to you what the consequences will be, of such a stupidly adventurous attitude! I am simply explaining to you that -apart from a handful of third rate insignificant countries, there is a zero chance you will ever get recognition -not even a Taiwanese style one, simply because WE literally hold the hand and the pen of the EU and its member states, and that of the UN through the Security Council (Russia, China, France.) The US, forget it! They won’t go against the stance and policy of the EU on such a now purely internal EU affair! If you have forgotten it, the whole of Cyprus, under the umbrella of the RoC, is one of the EU full members with veto rights, and there is a whole treaty of accession signed by every single member and approved by the UN under international law, verifying what I have explained to you!
The consequences of your Talat’s adventurous and blackmailing attitude (I am explaining and not threatening you,) will be that the status quo will continue, your isolation will continue, and Turkey (whose EU process is very important for its internal stability) will see the exit door, already from next year (2009!) In other words (I am explaining to you,) the victims will be your community and your motherland! That is the most certain outcome of your Talat’s and motherland’s tactics of lately!
Secondly, Kofi Anan (not the UN itself) backed a “virgin birth,” but this was before Cyprus EU accession, and the end result was to receive a 76% “slap in the face” style of rejection from the GCs! "Virgin birth" is a non starter stupid invention of your side, that has zero applicability! The RoC is already an internationally established and recognized entity, and EU member state, and it cannot be dissolved! There can only be a successor that will be regarded as continuator of the RoC! Cyprus will not have to exit the EU and re-apply for a new EU membership as a “virgin-birth” new entity, and start a new EU accession process from scratch; but will continue to be a member on the basis of the already existing RoC accession! Therefore, the new state of affairs will be a continuation of the previous legally existing state of affairs, which is the RoC and its sovereignty over the entire island and its people! Stop dreaming impossible things! We won’t dissolve and abandon an internationally legally existing entity (RoC,) for the sake of accommodating the “continuation” of an illegal and invalidated entity (“TRNC!”) These things can only happen in your perverted fantasy and imagination! We may accommodate the transferring of parts of the illegally existing “TRNC” administrating apparatus and some of its “accrued” obligations and liabilities, under the RoC federal (central) government and /or the North ("TC") federative State, but that’s all! The "TC" state of the federal RoC, cannot and will not be a "continuator" or a "successor" of the “TRNC” on an "entity" level! We have international law fully on our side on this issue, therefore stop dreaming and threatening with nonsense!
Thirdly, you and a few more TC nationalists, plus the nationalists of your stupid “motherland,” may indeed have a pervasive psychological problem with the RoC! You have plenty of psychological problems anyway! However, the vast majority of the TCs, those tens of thousands that have already re-confirmed their RoC citizenship status by obtaining the RoC passports and IDs, and now pose around the world as EU citizens too, have absolutely zero psychological problems with the RoC! Only a few nationalist and irredentist perverts in your community and in Turkey have this kind of mental complications! The rest of the TCs view the RoC as their own state too, for they rightfully realize and recognise that they are de-jure an integral part of it!
I am simply explaining to you the hard core facts, and I am not threatening you! I am explaining to you the facts, so that you stop wasting your time and ours with impossible dreams and illusions, and start thinking logically and positively! The entire package of what we are already offering to you, is more that sufficient and even more than what you legitimately should have! In the end, you may lose even this which you now deem to be “too little,” purely out of your ingratitude and greediness to aim for the impossible “too much!”
