Cyprus-Forum.com

[halil]

I know some of you will get angry again like you have different tunes in south we have different tunes as well in north. here it is;
The main opposition National Unity Party has said that the people of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will never abandon the state and sovereignty they have established.

In a written statement, the UBP said that the principles of sovereign equality and security were ‘red lines’ which need to be safeguarded at all times. The UBP said a condition put forward by the Greek Cypriot Foreign Minister Markos Kyprianu demanding the continuation of the so-called Republic of Cyprus and the removal of Turkey’s affective guaranty, clearly proved that the Greek Cypriot Side did not want a new settlement.

The party also strongly reacted to Kyprianu’s words that it is within their ‘red lines’ for any new state to be the continuation of the Republic of Cyprus and that it was unacceptable for an EU country to need the guarantees of third countries and that the issue of guarantees was history.

The UBP also stated that together with the Turkish Cypriot people, it will continue to wage a democratic struggle to protect, uphold and develop the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

Deputy-Prime Minister Foreign Minister Turgay Avci has said that the main objective of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is to create policies towards finding a lasting and comprehensive solution to the Cyprus problem and work towards lifting the unjust isolations of the Turkish Cypriot people.
Speaking during a special event organized by the International Federation for Economic and Cultural Relations in Istanbul last night Mr. Avci noted that the Turkish Cypriot people has been exposed to unjust international isolations for many years.
Explaining that Turkey has been in support of Turkish Cypriot people for more than 40 years, he said Turkey is the only supporter of the TRNC without remuneration.

He stated that a possible solution on the island should be based on bi-zonality, political equality of the two communities and the partnership of the two founding states.
He also added that the guarantorship of Turkey is inalienable in this process.

[Bananiot]

How many settlers stay, Kifeas?

[Kifeas]

How many settlers stay, Kifeas?

Bananiot, instead of playing the "kolokythia" without ever offering your own views, at least state where you find the views I express as unreasonable or problematic for the TC side and why -since you wish to play their advocate, on the issue I already expressed my views.

On the issue of settlers, citizenship should only be given to those married with TCs, and their offspring. From then on, only a limited number truly needed to the economy of the country should be permitted to stay, as temporary workers and not as citizens with voting rights, just like we do in the south with all other nationalities except EU nationals.

Alternatively, we may accept a certain percentage equal to 5% of the TC community’s population, in exchange of us offering citizenship to the 30-35,000 Pontian Greeks and Russians that currently reside in Cyprus, which is also about 5% of the GC community’s population.

[Bananiot]

Just answer the question Kifeas. I know your views. You expressed them explicitly and you chose partition or bloodshed, remember?

You are saying that if the number of Turkish Cypriots in the Turkish Cypriot state is 90 000 (the rest have opted to move to their properties in the south) and about 40 000 settlers are allowed to stay with voting rights and provided the Turkish Cypriot state occupies 30%, 170 000 Greek Cypriots would be allowed to move to the north. Then we would have a Greek Cypriot majority within the Turkish Cypriot state. I think it beats the principle, does it not?

[humanist]

Bananiot

Just answer the question Kifeas. I know your views. You expressed them explicitly and you chose partition or bloodshed, remember?

You are saying that if the number of Turkish Cypriots in the Turkish Cypriot state is 90 000 (the rest have opted to move to their properties in the south) and about 40 000 settlers are allowed to stay with voting rights and provided the Turkish Cypriot state occupies 30%, 170 000 Greek Cypriots would be allowed to move to the north. Then we would have a Greek Cypriot majority within the Turkish Cypriot state. I think it beats the principle, does it not?

What excactly is the principle Bananiot. Which democratic country in the world works at the exclussion of other citizens in policy? This is a joke not only a farse but a joke.

Thi shas nothing to do with Greek speaking Cypriots and if you look at halil's post above it will verify the Turkish spekaing Cypriot lies and deception of a unification plan. This is about a bunch of selfish citizens not even smart ones whom with their obsinance have not only kept themselves underdeveloped but are hindering the dvelopment of the rest of the Island not to mention their future, blaming the Greek speaking Cyriot side.

I fail to see how people in their right mind would think that the representatives of the Greek speaking Cypriots would just say well you invited Turkey to invade and take 1/3 of our country we will now reward you by just letting you exploit our properties and lives even further we will remove the internationally imposed trade embargoes.

[Kifeas]

Just answer the question Kifeas. I know your views. You expressed them explicitly and you chose partition or bloodshed, remember?

You are saying that if the number of Turkish Cypriots in the Turkish Cypriot state is 90 000 (the rest have opted to move to their properties in the south) and about 40 000 settlers are allowed to stay with voting rights and provided the Turkish Cypriot state occupies 30%, 170 000 Greek Cypriots would be allowed to move to the north. Then we would have a Greek Cypriot majority within the Turkish Cypriot state. I think it beats the principle, does it not?

Where have I said that 40,000 settlers should be permited to stay, and how did you reach to the number of 170,000 GCs?

If the number of TCs that will remain into the north state goes down to 90,000, and if this in theory represents 11-12% of the total Cypriot population of some 800,000 people, then the difference between 30% (size of state) and 12% (TCs remaining in the state) is 18%. This means that this gap of 18%, which is roughly equal to 144,000 people, can potentially be filled by GCs! In such a case, yes the GCs will become the majority in the north (144 vs. 90 thousands.) Where do you see the problem here? If the TCs do not wish to become a minority, there are two ways to avoid this. The first is none of them to abandon permanent residency of the north state, and the second is to accept that the size of the state should be considerably smaller than the 30% you have mentioned! Am I not fair and reasonable? What do you expect as the advocate of the TCs, to have your cake and eat it too?

[Kifeas]

Bananiot

Just answer the question Kifeas. I know your views. You expressed them explicitly and you chose partition or bloodshed, remember?

You are saying that if the number of Turkish Cypriots in the Turkish Cypriot state is 90 000 (the rest have opted to move to their properties in the south) and about 40 000 settlers are allowed to stay with voting rights and provided the Turkish Cypriot state occupies 30%, 170 000 Greek Cypriots would be allowed to move to the north. Then we would have a Greek Cypriot majority within the Turkish Cypriot state. I think it beats the principle, does it not?

What excactly is the principle Bananiot. Which democratic country in the world works at the exclussion of other citizens in policy? This is a joke not only a farse but a joke.

Thi shas nothing to do with Greek speaking Cypriots and if you look at halil's post above it will verify the Turkish spekaing Cypriot lies and deception of a unification plan. This is about a bunch of selfish citizens not even smart ones whom with their obsinance have not only kept themselves underdeveloped but are hindering the dvelopment of the rest of the Island not to mention their future, blaming the Greek speaking Cyriot side.

I fail to see how people in their right mind would think that the representatives of the Greek speaking Cypriots would just say well you invited Turkey to invade and take 1/3 of our country we will now reward you by just letting you exploit our properties and lives even further we will remove the internationally imposed trade embargoes.

Humanist, let me briefly explain to you Bananiot's "theory!" Bananiot suffers from what is known in psychology as a “defeatism syndrome.” He maintains that we "lost” the “war” in 1974, and therefore we should become “sensible” enough to accept the terms of the “winner,” just like the Nazi Germany did in 1945, when they accepted all the terms of the allies!

[humanist]

do both communities have to drop the numerical porpotionality in order to bring peace to our country? in doing so how do we ensure the rights of all minority groups are protected?

[denizaksulu]

do both communities have to drop the numerical porpotionality in order to bring peace to our country? in doing so how do we ensure the rights of all minority groups are protected?

Humanist, I think that you are the first GC to show any real concern for TC rights. Had there been more like you, negotiations would be more meaningful.

[Viewpoint]

I was listening to Toumazos Tsielepis today. He is the head of the Greek Cypriot delegates of the working groups and the technical committees. He repeated that the reason we are moving towards a bicommunal, bizonal federation is because we want to tackle the problem which is one of invasion and occupation but also one of mending the relations between the two communities.

He argued that there is no other way towards solving these problems and achieving solution to the long-standing Cyprus issue. At long last we have a government which means business and speaks clearly to the people about the nature of the only solution possible. We should all stand behind the government and stop poisoning the people with calls for a unitary Cyprus that does not stand a chance of ever materialising. If, again we go hell bent for something not feasible, we will pay an even heftier penalty. There is no doubt about this and thus all those that support unitary Cyprus are working, in practice, for the demise of our country.

Thank god someone is starting to make sense, we need people who can accept the reality on the ground with vision and determination that compromise does not mean being defeated but showing flexibility towards a solution.